Vigilante and evangelist


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Shadow Lodge

I have a simple question regarding multiclassing vigilante and the evangelist prestige class.

If an Avenger vigilante progresses his vigilante class as an evangelist, does he gain full BAB for every evangelist level beyond 1st thanks to his avenger specialization. Specifically due to this part:

Vigilante specialization wrote:
An avenger gains a base attack bonus equal to his vigilante level instead of using those listed on Table: The Vigilante. He adds this value to any other base attack bonus gained from other classes or racial Hit Dice as normal.


No, the Avenger Specialization increase to Base Attack Bonus only applies to levels taken in the Vigilante class.

Shadow Lodge

So a vigilante who plans to go into evangelist is much better off being a stalker or having specialization replaced, that's a bummer.


Unless you really want one or more Stalker Talents, I would argue that Avenger is still better in an average campaign that is not focused on Intrigue stuff.

Silver Crusade

*scratches head*

Actually, wouldn't it though since the Avenger BaB increase is a class ability rather than just their standard class granted BaB?

Aligned Class (Ex) wrote:
Evangelists come from many different backgrounds, and they show an unusual range of diversity. At 2nd level, the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class. She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains. She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.
Vigilante Specialization (Ex) wrote:

At 1st level, a vigilante must choose to be either an avenger or a stalker.

An avenger gains a base attack bonus equal to his vigilante level instead of using those listed on Table: The Vigilante. He adds this value to any other base attack bonus gained from other classes or racial Hit Dice as normal.

A stalker gains an ability called hidden strike, which allows him to deal an extra 1d8 points of precision damage on melee attacks (or ranged attacks from within 30 feet) against foes who are unaware of his presence, who consider him an ally, or who are made flat-footed by startling appearance. This extra damage increases by 1d8 at 3rd level and every 2 vigilante levels thereafter. A stalker vigilante can also deal hidden strike damage to a target that he is flanking or that is denied its Dexterity bonus to AC, but in these cases, the damage dice are reduced to d4s. A stalker can deal hidden strike damage against targets with concealment (but not total concealment).

Once this choice is made, it can't be changed. While many vigilante talents are usable by both specializations, some are unique to each specialization. A stalker vigilante can apply only one talent marked with an asterisk (*) to a given hidden strike, and only when that hidden strike is dealt against a foe that is unaware of the stalker vigilante's presence (or who considers him an ally), unless otherwise noted.


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Rysky wrote:

*scratches head*

Actually, wouldn't it though since the Avenger BaB increase is a class ability rather than just their standard class granted BaB?

Aligned Class (Ex) wrote:
Evangelists come from many different backgrounds, and they show an unusual range of diversity. At 2nd level, the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class. She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains. She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.
Vigilante Specialization (Ex) wrote:

At 1st level, a vigilante must choose to be either an avenger or a stalker.

An avenger gains a base attack bonus equal to his vigilante level instead of using those listed on Table: The Vigilante. He adds this value to any other base attack bonus gained from other classes or racial Hit Dice as normal.

A stalker gains an ability called hidden strike, which allows him to deal an extra 1d8 points of precision damage on melee attacks (or ranged attacks from within 30 feet) against foes who are unaware of his presence, who consider him an ally, or who are made flat-footed by startling appearance. This extra damage increases by 1d8 at 3rd level and every 2 vigilante levels thereafter. A stalker vigilante can also deal hidden strike damage to a target that he is flanking or that is denied its Dexterity bonus to AC, but in these cases, the damage dice are reduced to d4s. A stalker can deal hidden strike damage against targets with concealment (but not total concealment).

Once this choice is made, it can't be changed. While many vigilante talents are usable by both specializations, some are unique to each specialization. A stalker vigilante can apply only one talent

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After giving it some thought, I believe that you are correct.

Silver Crusade

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Evangilantes! Commune!

Shadow Lodge

I know that a normal (not unchained) monk would still have full BAB for flurry with evangelist Well, full minus 1

Silver Crusade

Yep, it's that 1 that gets you.

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