Weasel Blood Drain and Beast Shape

[healbot42]

I'm building a gnome cavalier for PFS and I have a boon to take a giant weasel as my mount. It sounded pretty cool to me, but isn't really that strong. The main benefit of a weasel over a creature with more strength like a wolf is that the weasel gets the blood drain extraordinary ability. To help remedy the situation of low strength I've decided to take Order of the Beast (ACG) so I can turn my weasel into a faster or otherwise more useful creature if I need to.

What I want to know is if my weasel keeps the blood drain ability when it uses beast shape II to turn into another animal. The polymorph subschool says it loses all extraordinary abilities that are based on its original form.

So is blood drain based on the weasel's form (and thus doesn't stay when it beast shapes), or is it based more on a technique or strategy that weasels emloyee when they bite (and thus does stay)?

[Imbicatus]

Expect table variation. I'd rule they lose it when polymorphed.

[Cevah]

Reference: Giant Weasel
The universal monster rules list Blood Drain as (Ex).
Polymorph rules:

Quote:

While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function.

No table variation. No blood drain in poly form.

/cevah

[Imbicatus]

Cevah wrote:

Reference: Giant Weasel

The universal monster rules list Blood Drain as (Ex).
Polymorph rules:

Quote:

While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function.

No table variation. No blood drain in poly form.

/cevah

You loose all extraordinary abilities that depend on your original form. It's open to table variation of blood drain depends on the weasels original form, or if it can be used with any bite. As I said, I would say it does, but there is room for interpretation there.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Imbicatus wrote:

Cevah wrote:

Reference: Giant Weasel

The universal monster rules list Blood Drain as (Ex).
Polymorph rules:

Quote:

While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function.

No table variation. No blood drain in poly form.

/cevah

You loose all extraordinary abilities that depend on your original form. It's open to table variation of blood drain depends on the weasels original form, or if it can be used with any bite. As I said, I would say it does, but there is room for interpretation there.

It's pretty hard to argue that the weasel's ability to drain blood isn't tied to it's native anatomy.