Can Shirt Rerolls Be Forced On NPCs?


Pathfinder Society

Scarab Sages

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I'm frankly surprised nobody's made this thread yet.

I'm in a game where 2 players got killed with critical hits, and someone has a reroll shirt...but the DM doesn't believe we can use them to (as I'd like to) force the villain to reroll one of his attack rolls in hopes of saving one of them.

Either I've somehow never seen it come up before, or all DMs prior have allowed it when it came up. This is the first time I've heard a DM say it can't be done.

What's the story?

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 ***** Venture-Captain, Texas—Austin

As far as I was aware, you can only use shirts to reroll player rolls, not NPC ones.

Here is the relevant text from the guild guide

Reroll Rules:

Page 28 wrote:


As a way of rewarding players who show their support
for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign
by purchasing and wearing special shirts featuring
campaign insignia, faction logos, or Pathfinder
branding, a player wearing any of the shirts listed below
during a Pathfinder Society event may reroll one d20
roll during the course of that scenario. This reroll must
happen before the original result is determined and
the player must use the reroll result, even if it is lower.
Game Masters are also invited to wear Pathfinder Society
Organized Play shirts, but gain no additional benefits
other than supporting Pathfinder.

<List of what qualifies as a reroll>

If a player is using a physical copy (not a PDF, printout,
or photocopy) of the Pathfinder RPG Player Character Folio,
he receives a free reroll. No player may receive more than
one free reroll per session.
Additionally, when a player uses a free reroll, she may
present her Pathfinder Society membership card and
receive an additional +1 for every GM star she has earned,
for a maximum of a +5.

Finally, if a player receives a Campaign Service Award
coin for going above and beyond when giving back to
Pathfinder Society, she receives a free reroll once per
scenario upon displaying the coin. She may also change
her Pathfinder Society number to the three-digit
number found on the coin.

To me its pretty clearly saying the player may reroll a dice, and if you didn't roll it in the first place, I don't see how he can reroll it.

5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West

Only players can benefit from the reroll. Since no player rolled the NPC's attack roll, a player can't reroll it.

Quote:

...As a way of rewarding players who show their support

for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign
by purchasing and wearing special shirts featuring
campaign insignia, faction logos, or Pathfinder
branding, a player wearing any of the shirts listed below
during a Pathfinder Society event may reroll one d20
roll during the course of that scenario.
This reroll must
happen before the original result is determined and
the player must use the reroll result, even if it is lower.

EDIT: Ninja'ed by that guy!

4/5

The only time I've seen NPC being allowed a shirt reroll is when that NPC is being controlled by the player and the player is rolling the dice.
I do expect different GM calls on this, so it's best to ask first if this situation comes up.

Scarab Sages

Reading it, it doesn't look to me that way at all. I'd definitely read that as "reroll any d20 roll made during the adventure" - it is entirely silent on "rolls made by whom."


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

You cannot reroll something you didn't roll in the first place. It's also implied by "the player must use the reroll result" since the player isn't the one using that NPC's roll's result.

The Exchange 5/5

A class that has Misfortune is a nice way to force opponents to reroll, but the shirt/folio rerolls won't work on NPCs. As shown above the player with an appropriate item can make one reroll during the game, but they must use the new result even if it's worse. Which means it can't be used to influence the rolls of other characters.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Yup. This has been discussed before. You can only reroll your own rolls.

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