Empower spell questions

[thomas kiger 930]

Empower spell adds 50% damage or add 50% more dice? Here's the spell and effects and you tell me what empower would do to it. Level 5 sorcerer(crossblooded) with draconic(white dragon) and orc bloodline{+2 damage per die} snowball would be 5d6+10(from bloodlines) do I make it (5d6+10)+50%? Or is it 7d6+15?

[Java Man]

Roll normally, then icrease total by 50%.

[MrCharisma]

It would be the (5d6+10)+50% option.

Eg: roll 5d6: 2+3+4+1+5=15
Add 10: 15+10=25
Now add 50%: 25*1.5=37.5
Now round down: =37 damage

[Mysterious Stranger]

Normally it would not matter because from a mathematical perspective they are the same. There is on case where it does make the difference and that is when you use maximize spell on a empowered spell. There was a ruling that only the base damage of the spell is maximized. So if you had a empowered maximized Fireball(an 8th level spell) you would do 80 points plus 5d6+10 points of damage. That would indicate that the correct way for the 5th level sorcerer would be to roll 7d6+15.

[ChaiGuy]

Mysterious Stranger wrote:

Normally it would not matter because from a mathematical perspective they are the same. There is on case where it does make the difference and that is when you use maximize spell on a empowered spell. There was a ruling that only the base damage of the spell is maximized. So if you had a empowered maximized Fireball(an 8th level spell) you would do 80 points plus 5d6+10 points of damage. That would indicate that the correct way for the 5th level sorcerer would be to roll 7d6+15.

I imagine the same would apply for an intensified and empowered spell too. Well maybe an intensified / maximized spell.

[Ravingdork]

MrCharisma is correct.

It's even in the official FAQ:

Empower Spell: If I use Empower Spell on a spell that has a die roll with a numerical bonus (such as cure moderate wounds), does the feat affect the numerical bonus?

Yes. For example, if you empower cure moderate wounds, the +50% from the feat applies to the 2d8 and to the level-based bonus.

[Chess Pwn]

a lv10 Maximized Empower is you do 60 damage and then roll your 10d6 and add 50% of that roll to the maximized damage.