With my magus reaching a level at which she's too high for some of the local game dates, I'm thinking of starting my second PFS character. I'm thinking of trying an unchained rogue, but I'm not entirely sure how to build them, I've never played a rogue before, let alone an unchained one.
Currently I have planned out this, but I'm not sure whether or not it's actually any good for PFS play.
Half Elf (Ancestral Arms)
Rogue (Scout) 1-3, 6, Ranger (Wild Hunter, Skirmisher, Falconer) 4-5, 7-10
Traits: Resilient, Carefully Hidden
Favoured Classes: Rogue/Ranger (Multitalented) +1 hp each level
(20)
Str: 7 (24)
Dex: 18 (7) +2 Racial, +1 lvl 4, +1 lvl 8
Con: 14 (2)
Int: 12 (0)
Wis: 10 (0)
Cha: 10 (0)
Feats:
Level 1: Finesse Training (B), Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Elven Curve Blade) (B), Iron Will
Level 2: Weapon Focus (B) (Weapon Training)
Level 3: Finesse Training 2 (B), Toughness
Level 5: Power Attack (B), Dodge
Level 6: Cornugon Smash (B) (Combat Trick)
Level 7: Boon Companion
Level 9: Improved Iron Will
Skills:
1 rank swim, 1 rank climb
1 rank escape artist, 1 rank knowledge (Local)
1 rank diplomacy, 1 rank knowledge (Dungeoneering)
1 rank sleight of hand, 1 rank Use Magic Device
Max Ranks:
Perception
Disable Device
Bluff
Stealth
Acrobatics
Intimidate
Handle Animal
First off, don't dump your Str down to 7. You'll need to carry your curve blade and your armor at minimum. A 10 is sufficient, but don't go lower.
Imbicatus wrote: First off, don't dump your Str down to 7. You'll need to carry your curve blade and your armor at minimum. A 10 is sufficient, but don't go lower. A 7 can be okay - but only if you take the Muscle of the Society trait. (makes it count as +2 for encumbrance)
Also - I'm not sure how much you get out of PA as rogues tend to have accuracy issues, and rangers aren't amazing on that front either except against their favored enemy.
Not to mention, you can't legally take power attack as you don't have the Str requirement.
Edit never mind, just saw he ranger levels.
I'll give it a shot. Here's an UR based on a follower of Sarenrae that aims to end fights while respecting Sarenrae's value of all life.
Human (Dual Talent)
Unchained Rogue
Traits: Blade of Mercy, Carefully Hidden
(20)
Str:13
Dex: 19 +2 Racial, All future level ups
Con: 14
Int: 12
Wis: 10
Cha: 10
1: Enforcer, Finesse Training
2: Weapon Focus (B) (Weapon Training)
3: Power Attack, Finesse Training 2
4: Hurtful (B) (Combat Trick)
5: Dazzling Display
6: Minor Magic (Ghost Sound)
7: Cornugon Smash
8: Major Magic (Vanish)
9: Shatter Defenses
Equipment: Light Armor, Shortsword and Buckler
This character will have the advantage of demoralizing from level 1, with Blade of Mercy proccing Enforcer on anything not immune to nonlethal. Furthermore, it is extremely Single Attribute Dependent, and the ability to invest gold in both armor and shields will give you a respectable armor class.
Hurtful will allow you to get multiple attacks in at level 4, or even Dazzling Display, then still strike someone in front of you. Minor Magic can be anything, but I like the utility of misdirection on a stealth character. Have some plates crash down the hall with Ghost Sound, then enter a room that was guarded a moment ago.
Vanish is all kinds of awesome, with the ability to go invisible several times a day an amazing benefit on a rogue. Cornugon will allow you to essentially get two rolls to demoralize if you're power attacking, and shatter defenses will let you automatically sneak attack foes you are scaring at higher levels. The high stats lets us handle ourselves even when we aren't sneak attacking, at least long enough to get away or let the party follow up. Add in the constant debuffs of debilitating strike and shaken, and your full martial will thank you.
Plus you can take anyone in alive, while being more powerful for it.
2 choices:
Choice 1:
Play what you have and try it out and if it is bad you can go to choice 2.
Choice 2:
Step 1-
Exotic Weapon Proficeny- Firearm
Step 2-
Get your Gun
Step 3-
Get ammo for it
Step 4-
Lay down prone, Put gun into your mouth, declare yourself helpless and pull the trigger....then roll a slayer.
Now you can also get that sweet power attack and the accuracy for it.
Charon's Little Helper wrote: Imbicatus wrote: First off, don't dump your Str down to 7. You'll need to carry your curve blade and your armor at minimum. A 10 is sufficient, but don't go lower. A 7 can be okay - but only if you take the Muscle of the Society trait. (makes it count as +2 for encumbrance)
Also - I'm not sure how much you get out of PA as rogues tend to have accuracy issues, and rangers aren't amazing on that front either except against their favored enemy. I'm not against the idea of taking that trait if carrying capacity is an issue. Also, is the accuracy really that bad? One of the ranger archetypes I'm taking replaces favoured enemy with hunter animal focus, which would let me get +2 to dex temporarily for the really important fights.
I was told that I should be aiming for an AB of 1.5*level +4
I was told that I could expect to get a +1 to my weapon every 4 levels, and I assumed that I could pick up a +2 dex increasing belt at level 6
1: 5 dex 5 vs 5.5
2: 5 dex, 1 BAB, +1 WF 7 vs 7
3: 5 dex, 2 BAB, +1 WF 8 vs 8.5
4: 5 dex, 3 BAB, 1 enhancement, +1 WF 10 vs 10 (+1 weapon)
5: 7 dex, 4 BAB, 1 enhancement, +1 WF 13 vs 11.5 (Animal Focus)
6: 7 dex, 5 BAB, 1 enhancement, +1 WF -2 power attack 12 vs 13 (+2 dex belt)
7: 7 dex, 6 BAB, 1 enhancement, +1 WF -2 power attack 13 vs 14.5
8: 8 dex, 7 BAB, 2 Enhancement, +1 WF -2 power attack 16 vs 16 (+2 weapon, Dex increase)
9: 8 dex, 8 BAB, 2 Enhancement, +1 WF -3 power attack 16 vs 17.5
10: 8 dex, 9 BAB, 2 Enhancement, +1 WF -3 power attack 17 vs 19
Accuracy seems like it should be okay, even while power attacking, it only lags 1 point behind up until level 10, where it's 2 points behind, but also the level where I could pick up furious focus from improved combat style, which can be compensated for via flanking, haste, bless, or several other commonplace buffs.
Also, does the animal companion count for anything? I know that it's a bird, but it is counting my effective druid level as my character level
Alternatively, would replacing ranger with slayer be an option?
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