Dragon Tail Sweep


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Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Surely if a Dragon uses its tail sweep attack those that fail the DC reflex are knocked prone?

Also, if a Dragon uses 'Crush' can it still attack targets while crushing the poor unfortunate it's sitting on?

Prux


PRD wrote:

Crush (Ex): A flying or jumping Huge or larger dragon can land on foes as a standard action, using its whole body to crush them. Crush attacks are effective only against opponents three or more size categories smaller than the dragon. A crush attack affects as many creatures as fit in the dragon's space. Creatures in the affected area must succeed on a Reflex save (DC equal to that of the dragon's breath weapon) or be pinned, automatically taking bludgeoning damage during the next round unless the dragon moves off them. If the dragon chooses to maintain the pin, it must succeed at a combat maneuver check as normal. Pinned foes take damage from the crush each round if they don't escape. A crush attack deals the indicated damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon's Strength bonus.

Tail Sweep (Ex): This allows a Gargantuan or larger dragon to sweep with its tail as a standard action. The sweep affects a half-circle with a radius of 30 feet (or 40 feet for a Colossal dragon), extending from an intersection on the edge of the dragon's space in any direction. Creatures within the swept area are affected if they are four or more size categories smaller than the dragon. A tail sweep automatically deals the indicated damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon's Strength bonus (round down). Affected creatures can attempt Reflex saves to take half damage (DC equal to that of the dragon's breath weapon).

1. No. There's absolutely nothing in the Tail Sweep ability to indicate that.

2. The dragon, assuming normal action economy, cannot attack the crushed creatures. The dragon must use its actions to maintain the pin with a combat maneuver check. This prevents your typical dragon from attacking the crushed creatures. An atypical dragon could attack the crushed creatures if it had an ability that allowed it do do so. For example, if the dragon had something that granted it extra standard actions, it could use one to attack them.

Although, if a dragon crushed on the first turn, it could attack the creatures instead of maintaining the pin on the second.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
The Archive wrote:
PRD wrote:

Crush (Ex): A flying or jumping Huge or larger dragon can land on foes as a standard action, using its whole body to crush them. Crush attacks are effective only against opponents three or more size categories smaller than the dragon. A crush attack affects as many creatures as fit in the dragon's space. Creatures in the affected area must succeed on a Reflex save (DC equal to that of the dragon's breath weapon) or be pinned, automatically taking bludgeoning damage during the next round unless the dragon moves off them. If the dragon chooses to maintain the pin, it must succeed at a combat maneuver check as normal. Pinned foes take damage from the crush each round if they don't escape. A crush attack deals the indicated damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon's Strength bonus.

Tail Sweep (Ex): This allows a Gargantuan or larger dragon to sweep with its tail as a standard action. The sweep affects a half-circle with a radius of 30 feet (or 40 feet for a Colossal dragon), extending from an intersection on the edge of the dragon's space in any direction. Creatures within the swept area are affected if they are four or more size categories smaller than the dragon. A tail sweep automatically deals the indicated damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon's Strength bonus (round down). Affected creatures can attempt Reflex saves to take half damage (DC equal to that of the dragon's breath weapon).

1. No. There's absolutely nothing in the Tail Sweep ability to indicate that.

2. The dragon, assuming normal action economy, cannot attack the crushed creatures. The dragon must use its actions to maintain the pin with a combat maneuver check. This prevents your typical dragon from attacking the crushed creatures. An atypical dragon could attack the crushed creatures if it had an ability that allowed it do do so. For example, if the dragon had something that granted it extra standard actions, it could use one to attack them.

Although, if a dragon crushed on the first turn, it could attack the...

I was more coming from the perspective where the dragon has landed on one opponent and crushed him, then maintained the crush while attacking those around it.


Yes, the dragon could attack someone other than the crushed creature. IF he has a way of both maintaining and attacking in a single turn.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Thanks Mate, turns out that I didn't even get to use it. A four hour battle with Cadrilkasta the Blue Dragon rounded off The Shattered Stars 'Into the Nightmare Rift', ended with the great Wyrms death. We had a really good session.


You could always give it pushing assault.

It pushes enemies 5' away. And then you can take a 5' step away.

Now there is 10' between you and the enemy. Messes with martial characters that don't have pounce of some sort.

Not a trip, but literally swatting enemies away has its satisfaction, no?

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