Whilst making breakfast this morning. My mind went crazy.
I have been trying to make this character concept for the past five days to no avail. Then it hit me like a truck of bricks.
I pose a challenge to all you min/makers and character builders.
I want to make a character. Very similar to a paladin// anti-paladin, that is so obsessed with neutrality, that he becomes a concordant killer, now not exactly a concordant killer per sé,
This will be home brew
This will not be used for organized play,
I'm looking for a custom class that reflects the strict code of the paladin. With both celestial and infernal ties. Finding a way to recreate the concordant great sword would be a thing too.
Now I've already got some ideas flowing in my head. Let's work together on this masterpiece.
I don't care about leveling balance or party schematics. This character will probably be a solo adventurer for most of his career.
Ready??? Set....... GO!
You say, you would like a religious knight obsessed with balance, but then also say you'd like it to have both infernal and celestial ties.
Those two comments seem incompatible.
I'm not 100% sure what you're going for, but the first thing I'd suggest, if you're looking to build a custom paladin type character class is look up Dragon #106.
You say, you would like a religious knight obsessed with balance, but then also say you'd like it to have both infernal and celestial ties.
Those two comments seem incompatible.
I think he's looking for something with either ties to one or the other; or, in the pursuit of balance (to which he is fanatically devoted), deep ties to both with that in mind.
Monster manual 4 Dnd 3.5 I believe is source material for character concept.
Concordant killer
Turn it into a class
Run with it. Not incompatible,
Hard to comprehend and play? Oh heck yea
But not impossible.
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Base race Tiefling.
Must take celestial bloodline
Spontaneous divine cater
May only cast spells with the good or evil description, and learns one good and one evil spell at each level
Must alternate between casting good and evil spells
Is that a starting point.
The Dragon Magazine I mentioned had Paladin-like classes for all alignments, including Neutral - sure it's 1st ed., but it's probably easy enough to mash into a Pathfinder sized hole.
mmmm...here is a link to the neutral version I found with 5 seconds of googlesearchfu
Iroran paladin. Kill whatever you want. Your class replacement for smite will work on it.
Note- don't do unarmed. You aren't very good at it. Just grab a nice 2 hander- you are still proficient in those.
Overall...still a tank, but a different flavor. Still have lay on hands, mercies, divine health, spells. You just trade out heavy armor for an ability that adds cha to dex for AC when in light/no armor. This means that you can simply put a mild investment in dex/cha (14/14, usually) and still end up butting your head against an armor's max AC. Get an armor with a decent max AC (I like grabbing armor expert trait for mithral breastplate myself), and then you get about the same protection as full plate. But your AC is touch rather than flat footed. So fair trade.
The only major change in the class due to this archetype is that it trades smite for a +1 to +7 to attack/damage/AC against the target. But it has no alignment restirction- it is a 'personal challenge'. Doesn't nautrally pass through DR, but you get a Ki pool that can be used for that, so meh. Spend some ki and laugh at golems and CN barbarians.
If I would homebrew it, I would change it from a X/day ability to something more along the lines of studied target (move action until level 7, swift after that, and can be used all day). Maybe also remove that one ability that forces your divine bond to be with unarmed strikes.
It is a fine archetype if you don't necessarily want a knight in shining armor. It is kind of fluff, but it implies that you even write your own code (since it is about 'your own path to enlightenment' and such). Heck, I mostly used it to write up an atheist that wants to end involvement of all gods and outsiders in golarion.
What was the source for the Iroran paladin
Neriathale your on the right track, I might tweak the Iroran paladin once I can find it
Iroran paladin. Points for a move in the right direction, but it's not what I'm going for. I like the cha bonus to Des for AC. That's really nice, but I hate the ki related abilities, and the sense perfection instead of detect imbalance as was suggested earlier.
I like what my self posted up thread about his home brew. I'll sacrifice medium and heavy armor proficiency, for the confident defense ability of Iroran paladin.
The "touch of endurance" I would change to be able to use cruelties or mercies interchangeable whatever is needed for the circumstance. Positive or negative.
Divine/fiendish bond, I would replace with a custom legacy weapon that attaches itself to the class. The concordant greatsword. Same abilities. If he lets it go it is destroyed and vanishes, can create a new one as a move action.
Spells I would keep, but make it able to choose any spell from paladin or antipaladin lists
Channel energy I would keep but be able to channel either side.
I would give him a tainted set of celestial wings at 15th level white wings that crackle with dark energy. Fly spread of 60 ft, good maneuverability. Does not need constant motion and can hover.
Detect evil I would replace with "know alignment" it functioned as detect good, detect chaos, detect law, and detect detect evil all at once. And it is always on, but can be dismissed or resumed at will.
Now what about this capstone...
I would replace smite evil/good with the concordant death pact.
Functions exactly the same except that it can be declared against any evil, good, chaotic, or lawful creature. At will as a standard action the concordant paladin can change the alignment this ability is attuned to. At level 18 this ability blocks spells of up to third level cast by the alignment this ability is currently attuned to.
The capstone ability would be as follows.
Champion of perfection:
DR 10/--
No longer ages, immune to acid, cold, electricity, fire, petrifaction and poison.
Skin hardens and due to this level of balanced perfection this creature is treated as having 75% fortification vs. critical hits and sneak attack.
At will true seeing. Caster level is equal to class level.
Let the feedback flow!!!!!!!!
That's more of a character concept than a class.
Having options to switch between healing and harming with Lay On Hands is very powerful. The Paladin spell list is a decent dedicated buff list, and the Antipaladin list, while significantly weaker, has some goodies worth cherrypicking. Use of a constant "know alignment" is significantly more powerful than standard action Detect Evil/Detect Good. You actually haven't given up anything for these expanded abilities this far, which may be a problem.
Champion of Perfection is a very powerful capstone. DR 10/-- is on par with what the Insinuator Antipaladin gets, but the Insinuator is not immune to acid, cold, electricity, and fire, let alone petrification and poison. The 75% fortification is similar to the Knight of the Sepulcher's 15th level ability, although the Knight of the Sepulcher had other abilities that built up into this (50% fortification at 10th level, 25% at 5th). Incidentally, the Knight of the Sepulcher trades away it's 8th level aura for immunity to poison. Age immunity is just icing on top. This is an unusually powerful capstone by any standards, and I'd recommend toning it down, a lot.
Overall, this is much more powerful than its parent classes (Paladin and Antipaladin). Maybe you could nerf it a bit? Perhaps I could recommend that this becomes a 3/4 BAB, d8 HD class with 4+INT skill ranks per level? You could add cantrips if you do so.
I agree that it's a little over the top. But like I said I'm modeling this class after the concordant killer monster in MM IV page 34, any recommendations? I'm cool without any of the auras, but I'm trying to create the ultimate balancer.
Class is giving up medium and heavy armor proficiencies. And prefers no armor. In exchange for confident defense from Iroran paladin
I like the true extremes. Makes sense since they throw the cosmos so far out of balance
But it severely cripples the use of the smite... Not all evil foes are chaotic or lawful, even so, some of the worst evils are neutral evil.... Maybe I get rid of all auras after lvl 3
I looked at the insinuator and i honestly wasnt pleased. , its a great concept, just not for me.
+ 1/2 level to damage sounds about right.
Now this class that I have created.
How would the code of conduct work for neutrality?
Would he have to justify to the gym every action or inaction he did or did not make. Had to be in the interest of neutrality?
If so, if the party outnumbered the enemy, would he turn sides and fight alongside the "enemy"?
Would he never be able to kill the last solder on the battlefield?
Would the world become his enemies?
Would he eventually smite nobody?
Or would he try to smite everyone?
I'm gonna need some feedback on that one.
Bump
Adjusting lay on hands: Whatever removes damage from allies, positive or negative energy, flows from your touch. You can touch foes causing a likewise amount of damage, but they get a save.
Are you gonna make up a character in one of your aliases? Some PDP GMs might be open to playtest characters.
Goth guru:
Make up a character for one of my aliases? What's a pdp?
I forgot to post the statistics of the legacy weapon bound to this class. It's wickedly overpowered, and I already know it needs toned down. But here it goes.
Baseline it is a +1 jovar from the planar handbook Dnd 3.5
Gives +5 to intimidate and a +2 to confirm critical hits
Lvl3 to forgive or to punish
Instead of delivering a killing blow the concordant disciple may render the opponent unconscious instead. Or he can leave a crippling wound, I.e. Sever a limb, leave permanently blind, cut out one eye. Similar effects. A character attempting to regenerate or heal this damage must succeed on a will save( 19+1/2 concordant disciple level+ cha) or fail to heal the wound and may not try again until the healer gains a level
Lvl 6, becomes +2 and +2 damage during a death pact, and +1 pact per day and gains the keen property
Lvl 8 gains the conductive, holy, and unholy properties.
Lvl 10, gains axiomatic, and anarchic, and anchoring properties.
Lvl 12, becomes +3 and gains the weapon storm ability
Lvl 15, becomes +5 gains Sr.= 12+ class level and greater dispel magic 1/day
And a cool capstone ability, that I haven't correctly made yet...
Goth guru:
Make up a character for one of my aliases? What's a pdp?
Play by post.
You can design a character for each alies, but I think it only becomes visible to others if you sign up for play by post.I really mispelled that. Sorry.
Im gonna try to playtest it. Make a few changes. I think im gonna get rid of the spells. And add a few spell like abilities, per day. I like the weapon the way it is.