Create Pit spell and golems

[Joey Cote]

What I have been trying to figure out is if a golem can fall into the extradimensional space created by a spell from the create pit line. The part of the create pit series of spells that creates a pitfall for me is

"You must create the pit on a horizontal surface of sufficient size. Since it extends into another dimension, the pit has no weight and does not otherwise displace the original underlying material."

If the pit extends into another dimension, then the opening of pit is a doorway that transports the creature into another dimension. If that is true, then wouldn't golems' immunity to all magic other then those listed for each individual golem mean the doorway couldn't transport the golem into the other dimension, leaving the golem standing on the pit?

[Gauss]

Create Pit does not open a doorway into another dimension. It is an extradimensional space.

Extradimensional is an extension of the existing dimension. Not an entirely different place.

Golems are not immune to all magic other than that listed.
Clay Golem example:

Bestiary p159 wrote:

Immunity to Magic (Ex) A clay golem is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance. In addition, certain spells and effects function differently against the creature, as noted below.

Ie: golems are only immune to spells and spell-like abiltiies that allow spell resistance.

Create Pit does not allow spell resistance.
Golems are not immune to Create Pit. Create Pit works just fine against golems.

[Joey Cote]

Ah, I try to avoid reading the beastiaries to avoid player knowledge I shouldn't have. GM always said they where immune to all but a few specific spells for each golem type. So I didn't know the immunity was based on the spell having a SR check. So that completely eliminates the problem. Thank you.

But I will stick by those pit spells creating a portal. That extradimensional space isn't in our dimension, only the means to get into it the space. And that means there is a portal between the two places.

[Gauss]

Actually, the devs have stated that extra-dimensional spaces such as pits, bags of holding, etc. are not extraplanar (which is what I think you are thinking of).

James Jacobs on the topic and here too.

On a more basic level, you would be giving such a spell far more power than is it's due if you make it extraplanar. You cannot use teleportation magic (D-door, teleport, etc) across planar boundaries.

[In My Humble Opinion]

You and your DM should listen to Gauss here. You have to loosen you're concept of reality a bit when dealing with this area of the game.

[RDM42]

You are bending space-time to create a localized pocket or pouch in the fabric of space.

['Sani]

Imagine if you will that the fabric of reality in our plane is just that, fabric. A big piece of cloth stretched flat, like a bedsheet or something, so kinda 2 dimensional. When you cast create pit, you are poking your finger down real hard on one spot in the cloth, altering the farbic. Now the pit (the indentation your finger is making) isn't flat anymore, and thus outside of the normal 2D of the fabric, thus extradimensional space. But it's still using the same piece of fabric. Also it's temporary, remove the magic (ie your finger) and the fabric goes back to flat.

Now another bedsheet folded up in the linen closet is extraplanar, being a completely different piece of fabric. But your create pit doesn't interact with the bedsheets in the linen closet, so it's not extraplanar in any way. Unlike the summoner which is picking lint balls off the different sheet and sticking them on ours.

[Guru-Meditation]

Extra-planar creates a portal to another dimension.

Extra-dimensional inflates a given area of space-time-continuum to become bigger in some dimensions. Just like blowing up a baloon so that its insides become bigger, just that the blowing up doesnt happen in those three dimensions you normally perceive. It is still part of your dimension, but gulped out into a non-space area.