Total Defense


Rules Questions


So, during a combat round anyone can take a total defense posture and gain a +4 to your AC for that round.

Total Defense- You can defend yourself as a standard action. You get a +4 dodge bonus to your AC for 1 round. Your AC improves at the start of this action. You can't combine total defense with fighting defensively or with the benefit of the Combat Expertise feat. You can't make attacks of opportunity while using total defense.

Now if my rogue takes the feat "2 Weapon Defense" - When wielding a double weapon or two weapons (not including natural weapons or unarmed strikes), you gain a +1 shield bonus to your AC. When you are fighting defensively or using the total defense action, this shield bonus increases to +2.

QUESTION: So would the Total defense bonus be +6 AC?


It would 4 dodge bonus and 2 shield bonus. Your AC would be 6 higher than normal.

I am not sure the level of your rogue but if you have three or more ranks in acrobatics it gets even better.
In the acrobatics skill under special it says:

CRB wrote:
Special: If you have 3 or more ranks in Acrobatics, you gain a +3 dodge bonus to AC when fighting defensively instead of the usual +2, and a +6 dodge bonus to AC when taking the total defense action instead of the usual +4.

With your two weapon defense this comes to 6(dodge) + 2(shield) or 8 higher than normal.

What makes dodge bonuses even better is that unlike most bonuses of the same type, they stack. So if you are gaining a dodge bonus from another source, like the feat "dodge", the bonuses stack.

CRB wrote:
Dodge Bonuses: Dodge bonuses represent actively avoiding blows. Any situation that denies you your Dexterity bonus also denies you dodge bonuses. (Wearing armor, however, does not limit these bonuses the way it limits a Dexterity bonus to AC.) Unlike most sorts of bonuses, dodge bonuses stack with each other.


Friendly Rules Lawyer wrote:

It would 4 dodge bonus and 2 shield bonus. Your AC would be 6 higher than normal.

I am not sure the level of your rogue but if you have three or more ranks in acrobatics it gets even better.
In the acrobatics skill under special it says:

CRB wrote:
Special: If you have 3 or more ranks in Acrobatics, you gain a +3 dodge bonus to AC when fighting defensively instead of the usual +2, and a +6 dodge bonus to AC when taking the total defense action instead of the usual +4.

With your two weapon defense this comes to 6(dodge) + 2(shield) or 8 higher than normal.

What makes dodge bonuses even better is that unlike most bonuses of the same type, they stack. So if you are gaining a dodge bonus from another source, like the feat "dodge", the bonuses stack.

CRB wrote:
Dodge Bonuses: Dodge bonuses represent actively avoiding blows. Any situation that denies you your Dexterity bonus also denies you dodge bonuses. (Wearing armor, however, does not limit these bonuses the way it limits a Dexterity bonus to AC.) Unlike most sorts of bonuses, dodge bonuses stack with each other.

-- So fighting defensively with "2 Weapon Defense" will cause the strike rolls to be at -4 but in return boosting the overall AC 6 higher then normal with my (5 ranks) acrobatics figured in? correct?


If you fight defensively and have 3 or more ranks in acrobatics you get a +3 dodge bonus to AC. The two weapon defense feat gives you a +2 shield bonus to AC when fighting defensively. This totals to +5 to AC.

Remember that the two weapon defense feat gives you a +1 shield bonus to AC even when you are not fighting defensively. So fighting defensively only increases your shield bonus by 1 (from 1 to 2).

While fighting defensively, your attacks would take a -4 and your AC would be 4 higher than it is when you attack normally (because you still get a +1 shield bonus when you attack normally).


Friendly Rules Lawyer wrote:

If you fight defensively and have 3 or more ranks in acrobatics you get a +3 dodge bonus to AC. The two weapon defense feat gives you a +2 shield bonus to AC when fighting defensively. This totals to +5 to AC.

Remember that the two weapon defense feat gives you a +1 shield bonus to AC even when you are not fighting defensively. So fighting defensively only increases your shield bonus by 1 (from 1 to 2).

While fighting defensively, your attacks would take a -4 and your AC would be 4 higher than it is when you attack normally (because you still get a +1 shield bonus when you attack normally).

Thank you for your time and insight.

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