The relevant rules you are looking for are in the Cast a Spell section of the Combat rules.
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates.
Each spell counts as a "held charge" waiting for discharge on your attacking. Casting a new spell discharges your current spell. As a result, you cannot start staking multiple chill touch and frostbine spells on top of each other, or other spells like shocking grasp.
Some of the FAQ and class abilities provide exceptions to the general rules, making clear, for example, that a magus touching her weapon to make use of her class Spellstrike ability does not discharge the spell by touching the weapon.
The relevant rules you are looking for are in the Cast a Spell section of the Combat rules.
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates.Each spell counts as a "held charge" waiting for discharge on your attacking. Casting a new spell discharges your current spell. As a result, you cannot start staking multiple chill touch and frostbine spells on top of each other, or other spells like shocking grasp.
Some of the FAQ and class abilities provide exceptions to the general rules, making clear, for example, that a magus touching her weapon to make use of her class Spellstrike ability does not discharge the spell by touching the weapon.
We know that a Magus can't use Spellstrike with a spell-trigger device or SLA because Spellstrike requires that you cast the spell and those other methods don't qualify as casting. That might be an advantage here since the rule says that the touch spell dissipates if you cast another spell. If wands and SLA's don't count as casting, then the following options would work to stack Chill Touch and Frostbite.
* use one wand of Chill Touch and one wand of Frostbite
* cast one spell and then use a wand for the other, but not in the other order
* cast Frostbite and then use the Chill Touch SLA (Gnome Fell Magic alternate racial trait), but not the other order
* use a wand and the Chill Touch SLA
I don't think so. It doesn't matter WHERE the held charge came from, you can't hold two different charges. That may not be strict RAW, but it looks to be RAI.
I don't think so. It doesn't matter WHERE the held charge came from, you can't hold two different charges. That may not be strict RAW, but it looks to be RAI.
IF you want to stack multiple touch effects, they can't come from held spells. For example, Elemental Touch grants a touch attack but it isn't a touch spell. You could stack frostbite, elemental touch, and the +1d6 acid damage from deliquescent gloves.
I know the language about spell-trigger items is kind of fuzzy. Using a staff or wand isn't actually casting a spell, hence the Spellstrike issue, but the rules sections on those items do often refer to their use as 'casting' spells. I'm guessing that is because things like Spellstrike weren't dreamed up yet when the CRB was written. So I thought this might avoid the previously mentioned rule.
But even if I was right, you both bring up a different issue: that you can't hold more than one type of charge at the same time. I can't find any rules that specifically say that. However, your touch attacks do count as armed attacks when you are holding a charge. I'm thinking that trying to deliver two charges with one touch attack might be forbidden because it would be like attacking with two swords in one hand. That is, you can only 'hold' one 'weapon' in each 'hand.' You could always wield the two swords in different hands, but that isn't an option in this case because you don't get two different versions of 'touch attack.'
I'm wondering if that rationale for forbidding stacking seems reasonable to both of you.
Most people believe that a held charge isn't held in any particular appendage, it's "all over" and can be used with whatever appendage you want on any given attack. This is what's preventing you from having more than one held charge, since you've only got one "all over".
I use a house rule that you choose the appendage that holds the charge when you cast the spell (or otherwise gain the held charge). If you're doing something like this, then you could ALSO rule that you could gain a different held charge in a different appendage.
Most people believe that a held charge isn't held in any particular appendage, it's "all over" and can be used with whatever appendage you want on any given attack. This is what's preventing you from having more than one held charge, since you've only got one "all over".
That is what I was trying to say, but you said it better. :)
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I think because of the way using a wand has been viewed in FAQs in the past, you should be able to do that just fine. Same should be true for a potion.
I used to do something similar to this with my gnome Investigator who has chill touch as an SLA. I'd drink an extract of Stone Fist to make my unarmed strikes lethal, then an extract of elemental touch, which can be delivered with an unarmed strike. Then when combat started, cast chill touch.