Two Handed-Fighting Question:


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So, I had an interesting idea that I'm not quite sure works, but the rules as written do not imply that the idea wouldn't work. It's a fairly cheesy idea, but for now it's just a hypothetical character idea.

The way it would work would be that this character, a barbarian, would take two-handed fighting. This is the feat that allows you to wield two weapons in both hand at a penalty. Say that this barbarian is using a short sword in his primary hand, and holding a greataxe (a two-handed weapon) in his off-hand.

The barbarian stabs with his short sword (the first part of a two-weapon fighting attack) before dropping the short sword as a free action. He uses another free action to grip the greataxe in both hands and swing (using up the second part of the two-handed fighting attack.)

The penalty would be -4, -4, which the barbarian can accept, being a barbarian and all.

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As far as I know, nowhere by RAW does it state that you cannot do this. If I am wrong, however, please inform me!

Thanks!


There's a FAQ that creates a rule saying you can't do this.

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Chess Pwn wrote:
There's a FAQ that creates a rule saying you can't do this.

I saw the rule, and I can understand where that particular idea violates the requirement of having a singular weapon held in each of his two hands.

This hypothetical barbarian is holding a weapon in both hands, however. There is no penalty to holding a two handed weapon in one hand, you simply can't /swing/ a two-handed weapon.

So the attack sequence goes...

1. Each hand each holds one weapon, this is good.

2. I attack with my short sword and drop it, 1 free action. No rules against that.

3. As a free action, I grip my greataxe two-handed and swing it. No rules against doing that, but it does cost 1 free action.

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The only thing I could see being an issue would be how many Free Actions a GM will allow, since that number is vague. I've done some research, and I don't see anything anywhere that would, by the rules, break this idea.


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Depending on interpretation of the FAQ rules, it is both allowed and not allowed.

Reading Regrabbing Two Handed weapons it is allowed but reading Changing grip on a weapon says you couldn't.

My interpretation, which some disagree with is that you couldn't because you are trying to attack with more 'hands'* than you possess to attack.

*Every weapon requires a free 'hand' to be wielded even if it is not held in a hand.

There are plenty of threads around this topic already. Please press the FAQ button if you are unsure


Are you trying to get the 1.5x bonus to STR and power attack?

If so: no, this absolutely doesn't work. The armour spikes FAQ makes it pretty clear you can't get more than 1.5x total damage from STR from two-weapon fighting without some other ability.

If not: probably still doesn't work, but some GMs may let you get away with it. The question is, why bother in this case? You're forced to drop your short sword every round for a few extra points of damage from the greataxe's D12.

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