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The Arcanist may want to withdraw using a normal mode of movement to avoid an attack of opportunity, then activate Dimensional Slide to avoid an obstacle like rough terrain or a chasm or something similar. They may not have the range on Dimensional Slide to clear the obstacle unless they move some first. Allowing it as part of a withdrawal means they can both avoid the initial attack of opportunity and clear the obstacle via Dimensional Slide.
EDIT: To the other part of your message, Dimensional Slide very clearly says that moving using it does not provoke, so yes, an Arcanist may Dimensional Slide away as part of a move action without provoking, and then attack. It's no more overpowered than the Teleportation School level 1 Shift ability. In fact, is less overpowered, because Shift is a Swift action. The line about using a withraw action does not change how a Dimensional Slide works during a Move action.
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Does anyone know what the point of using a withdraw action is with Dimensional Slide as an Arcanist? The ability states:
The arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to create a dimensional crack that she can step through to reach another location. This ability is used as part of a move action or withdraw action, allowing her to move up to 10 feet per arcanist level to any location she can see. This counts as 5 feet of movement. She can only use this ability once per round. She does not provoke attacks of opportunity when moving in this way, but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.
To me this means that as soon as the Arcanist moves to step into the rift while threatened WITHOUT a withdraw action, he provokes an AoO as normal, but the remainder of his dimensional movement is safe from AoO's. I am lead to believe this because of the last line; "but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes attacks as normal.leaving a square, why would it say she can also use a withdraw action?
All the movement done with Dimensional Slide is non-provoking; the ability is quite clear about that.
If the arcanist never generates AoO's when leaving a square, why would it say she can also use a withdraw action?
You're more likely to use it with a move action, but it could be used with a withdraw action, and that could certainly be useful.
Mainly if the range of your Slide isn't enough yet to get to your desired destination directly, and you're currently threatened. Then you can Withdraw from people threatening you right now and use Slide to get past a second obstacle/enemy.
This point is coming up because it seems OP to be able to teleport freely away and STILL BE ABLE TO CAST SPELLS THAT TURN without submitting to any attacks of opportunity.
Any clear ruling with sources would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
-Malcom Race
The only source you need is the original ability; it says the movement doesn't provoke.
Yes, it's a very powerful ability, but it's not unique; wizards have been able to do this with the Shift ability of the teleportation subschool for five years already.
withdraw would also add to your distance that you get away from your peruisers. I had an arcanist do thi against an opponent with reach.
Withdraw Free square 20 feet of dimentional hopping counts as 5 feet 20 feet of movement = 1 move, 30 feet of movement= 2 moves for =75 feet.
It does not say the ability does not provoke. It says the teleportation ability of the movement does not provoke.
However, it also says any other movement used as part of this ability does provoke.
but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.
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Yes, it's a very powerful ability, but it's not unique; wizards have been able to do this with the Shift ability of the teleportation subschool for five years already.
Is there a FAQ or errata that allows a teleportation sub school wizard to act after doing their shift? I have always been under the impression that they could not since the ability refers to dimension door, which explicitly disallows further actions unless the wizard has feats to counteract the restriction.
I think it's am important distinction, since the Arcanist exploit has no such language in it referencing dimension door, so they can do this and then cast afterwards without investing other feats.
Dimensional Slide (Su)
The arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to create a dimensional crack that she can step through to reach another location. This ability is used as part of a move action or withdraw action, allowing her to move up to 10 feet per arcanist level to any location she can see. This counts as 5 feet of movement. She can only use this ability once per round. She does not provoke attacks of opportunity when moving in this way, but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.
So its supernatural, turning it on doesn't provoke.
Its specifically used as part of a withdrawl or movement action , so i don't see anything to stop them from going before and after.
There's also no direct tie to dimension door's mechanics, so its limitations don't carry over.
Dimensional Slide (Su)
The arcanist can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to create a dimensional crack that she can step through to reach another location. This ability is used as part of a move action or withdraw action, allowing her to move up to 10 feet per arcanist level to any location she can see. This counts as 5 feet of movement. She can only use this ability once per round. She does not provoke attacks of opportunity when moving in this way, but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.
So its supernatural, turning it on doesn't provoke.
Its specifically used as part of a withdrawl or movement action , so i don't see anything to stop them from going before and after.
There's also no direct tie to dimension door's mechanics, so its limitations don't carry over.
Agreed. Someone can walk 10 feet teleport and then keep walking.
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It does not say the ability does not provoke. It says the teleportation ability of the movement does not provoke.
However, it also says any other movement used as part of this ability does provoke.
but any other movement she attempts as part of her move action provokes as normal.
Right. If you were in a threatened square and took a move action then walked 10 feet before activating Dimensional Slide the walking would provoke. That's why you have the option to use it as part of a withdrawal. But if you first activated Dimensional Slide and used it to move out of the threatened area, it would not provoke. As BNW pointed out, it's a Su ability, therefore activating it does not provoke, and per the ability moving using the ability does not provoke.
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Dimensional Slide (Su)
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Thanks for the breakdown, BNW, and sorry for not being more clear. I was aware that nothing in the rules limited the dimensional slide this way.
I was asking about the teleportation wizard subschool ability, since Ascalaphus had mentioned that wizards could do it for several years. I wasn't sure that the wizard could do their shift and then cast due to the wording unless there is some FAQ or errata I am unaware of, unless they have invested feats for dimensional agility etc...I guess my point is that it IS significantly better than the teleport subschool ability. An ability that is widely considered one of the best school abilities out there. I don't know that it's game breaking, but dismissing someone's concern about it because wizards who have invested class abilities and feats on top of that can do the same thing seems wrong.
I guess my point is that it IS significantly better than the teleport subschool ability.
I do not agree that it is significantly better than that ability. The Teleportation School ability will allow you to escape a grapple. Since the Arcanist's ability is done as part of a move, it does not allow this.
The ability is still very good, just not in that circumstance.
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Yes, it's a very powerful ability, but it's not unique; wizards have been able to do this with the Shift ability of the teleportation subschool for five years already.Is there a FAQ or errata that allows a teleportation sub school wizard to act after doing their shift? I have always been under the impression that they could not since the ability refers to dimension door, which explicitly disallows further actions unless the wizard has feats to counteract the restriction.
I think it's am important distinction, since the Arcanist exploit has no such language in it referencing dimension door, so they can do this and then cast afterwards without investing other feats.
As I understand it, you need Dimensional Agility to act after a Shift. And the Shift ability itself probably does not in itself satisfy the prerequisites for Dimensional Agility. However, once you reach level 7 and learn Dimension Door (and you should) then you can take the feat.
Dimensional Slide (Su)
A bunch of useful stuff
Thanks for the breakdown, BNW, and sorry for not being more clear. I was aware that nothing in the rules limited the dimensional slide this way.
I was asking about the teleportation wizard subschool ability, since Ascalaphus had mentioned that wizards could do it for several years. I wasn't sure that the wizard could do their shift and then cast due to the wording unless there is some FAQ or errata I am unaware of, unless they have invested feats for dimensional agility etc...I guess my point is that it IS significantly better than the teleport subschool ability. An ability that is widely considered one of the best school abilities out there. I don't know that it's game breaking, but dismissing someone's concern about it because wizards who have invested class abilities and feats on top of that can do the same thing seems wrong.
It's a very good ability, just like the wizard ability. In the long run the wizard ability is probably better, especially because that once allows you to effectively move twice in a round, before and after casting perhaps. And exploit pool points are more "expensive" since the ACG reprint. But the arcanist ability is fully up and running from level 1, so it's really good too.