Order of the Eastern Star and Two Weapon Feint


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Pierce the Guard wrote:
At 8th level, when attacking with a light or one-handed weapon, the cavalier ignores the penalty for fighting defensively or using Combat Expertise on his first melee attack roll each round. If fighting with two weapons, he ignores the penalty for the first attack with each weapon, as long as the off-hand weapon is a light weapon.
Two Weapon Feint wrote:
While using Two-Weapon Fighting to make melee attacks, you can forgo your first primary-hand melee attack to make a Bluff check to feint an opponent.

So does this mean that if I use Combat expertise/fight defensibly in the same round that I use Two Weapon Feint then I lose half of the benefit?

Normally if I use Combat Expertise (we'll just say at level 15) my attack roll would be three lower for all attacks that round (With TWF and Combat Expertise is would be (10/10/5/5/0/0)). With Two Weapon Feint it would be (Feint/10/5/5/0/0)

So what I want to know is if Pierce the Guard makes it look like this (feint/13/5/5/0/0) or this (feint/13/8/5/0/0).

It says Melee attack roll which I don't believe a feint check counts as but I would still like to make sure.


You are exempt from the penalty on the first attack +roll+ with each hand. Feint is not an attack roll. In this case, your first attack with your main hand is a feint, and your second attack suffers no penalty from Expertise.


Casual Viking wrote:
You are exempt from the penalty on the first attack +roll+ with each hand. Feint is not an attack roll. In this case, your first attack with your main hand is a feint, and your second attack suffers no penalty from Expertise.

Just to be clear, are you saying the attack roll should look like:

1. (feint/13/8/5/0/0)
or
2. (feint/13/5/5/0/0)


The first one, it applies to your first attack with each hand and you're giving up your first attack with that hand so you're giving up the bonus

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