What happens when ability drain brings an ability to 0?


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Brought over from another thread to keep from derailment.

What happens when ability drain to Dex or Int brings that ability to 0?

In the glossary under Ability Damage Penalty and Drain the CRB states:

crb wrote:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability. If the amount of ability damage you have taken equals or exceeds your ability score, you immediately fall unconscious until the damage is less than your ability score.

But....

In the Getting Started section of the CRB under Ability Scores, it gives an effect for what happens if each individual ability is brought to 0.

For example under Dexterity

CRB wrote:
A character with a Dexterity score of 0 is incapable of moving and is effectively immobile (but not unconscious).

Intelligence is even weirder

CRB wrote:
A character with an Intelligence score of 0 is comatose.

Comatose is never defined but I assume by that they meant unconscious.

The Concordance

Your first quote is about ability damage.

The rest cover ability drain.

So if you take ability damage that matches your score, you are unconscious.

If you take drain down to 0, you are what the ability scores say you are: comatose, immobile, etc.


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Strength 0 = Unconscious.
Dexterity 0 = Immobile/Conscious.
Constitution 0 = DEAD.
Intelligence 0 = Comatose.
Wisdom 0 = Unconscious.
Charisma 0 = Unconscious.

CRB pages 16-17.

From the Eyebite spell;

Comatose: The subject falls into a catatonic coma for 10 minutes per caster level. During this time, it cannot be awakened by any means short of dispelling the effect. This is not a sleep effect, and thus elves are not immune to it.

I believe it is a Sleep-like condition used to include those creatures that have some immunity (whole or partial) against Sleep effects. Such as elves or some other creature that doesn't sleep.

Each Creature Type includes a line stating if they need to eat, sleep or breathe.

Liberty's Edge

Ability damage don't reduce your ability score, so what happen when your ability score is reduced to 0 has no bearing on what happen when the ability damage you have suffered is equal to your ability score.


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Diego Rossi wrote:

Ability damage don't reduce your ability score, so what happen when your ability score is reduced to 0 has no bearing on what happen when the ability damage you have suffered is equal to your ability score.

Actually it does. in both cases the effect is the same. The only difference is that ability damage will recover in time, and drain will not barring powerful magic.

The other exception is Constitution. Whether by Damage or Drain if your Con score becomes effectively zero, you die. End of story.

Liberty's Edge

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:

Ability damage don't reduce your ability score, so what happen when your ability score is reduced to 0 has no bearing on what happen when the ability damage you have suffered is equal to your ability score.

Actually it does. in both cases the effect is the same. The only difference is that ability damage will recover in time, and drain will not barring powerful magic.

The other exception is Constitution. Whether by Damage or Drain if your Con score becomes effectively zero, you die. End of story.

PRD wrote:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability. If the amount of ability damage you have taken equals or exceeds your ability score, you immediately fall unconscious until the damage is less than your ability score. The only exception to this is your Constitution score. If the damage to your Constitution is equal to or greater than your Constitution score, you die. Unless otherwise noted, damage to your ability scores is healed at the rate of 1 per day to each ability score that has been damaged. Ability damage can be healed through the use of spells, such as lesser restoration.

It don't change the value of your ability at all.

If you have a strength of 13 and a shadow damage it for 1 point, you are still able to use power attack, as the ability score hasn't changed.
Same thing if the shadow has dealt 6 point of damage. You suffer a -3 to hit and damage, but your feat still work.

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The question was about drain anyway, which does reduce your score. Since drain doesn't heal on its own, the character is permanently out of it until they receive magical healing, if they have a score (besides Con) drained to 0.

They will need someone to care for them so they don't die of thirst or starvation, and would basically be in a coma/bedridden forever.

Ability drain is nasty.


Queen Moragan wrote:

Strength 0 = Unconscious.

Dexterity 0 = Immobile/Conscious.
Constitution 0 = DEAD.
Intelligence 0 = Comatose.
Wisdom 0 = Unconscious.
Charisma 0 = Unconscious.

I like to expand on this a bit, although simply unconscious is fine too. For example, Wis 0 means that any two things you see are unlikely to appear different from one another, and you can't even tell the difference between creatures and objects. Charisma 0 leads to loss of sense of identity, and you are unable to express more than your base needs. Names have little or no meaning. You might as well be an object.


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Unconscious: Unconscious creatures are knocked out and helpless.

If your WIS is 0 you are not going to be seeing anything.

If your CHA is 0 you are not going to be expressing anything.

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