Do dex based monks need Weapon Finesse when using a Nine Section Whip?
If you want to use dex to hit, yes.
Nine Section Whip is a one-handed weapon without any line allowing it to be used with weapon finesse. Outside of using a specific magic item or fighter advanced weapon training, it cannot be used with weapon finesse.
What about a Sasetsukon sorry.
You need weapon finesse to use dex to hit with any weapon. Neither the nine-section whip nor the sansetsukon are regularly usable with weapon finesse, although a few levels in weapon master fighter will allow you to qualify.
I have taken the feats Ascetic style, Form, and Strike feats.
How do I make my monk use dex with his weapons?
I am making a Kitsune Kyuubi Visionary unchained monk which requires some charisma. The archetype is from the EveryMan Unchained Monk Archetypes II. The book is super affordable. I have built my stats like this. 25 point build. the first row is the stats the core book tells me to start with, the second is bought with the 25 point build, the third is the racial stat's, the other two is from starting at 9th level. How do I make my monk work?
Str 10,0,-2
Dex 10,6,2,1,1
Con 10,4
Int 10
Wis 10,4
Cha 10,4,2
If you take a level of Swashbuckler, you get a special version of weapon finesse that will give you dex to attack rolls with One-Handed weapons and Light weapons (normally, weapon finesse only gives you the latter). To get dex to damage on a monk weapon, the feat Slashing Grace can be used with a Temple Sword. The Nine-section whip has no way of getting dex to damage.
Ascetic Style, Form, and Strike do nothing for getting dex to your attack or damage roll.
Nine levels of fighter, and advanced weapon training.
Ascetic Style wrote: Benefit(s): Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks. I'm going to go out on an insane crazy-logic branch right now, but bear with me:
0. Weapon Finesse cannot normally be used with a one-handed or two-handed weapon
1. Weapon Finesse can augment an unarmed strike
2. Ascetic Style lets effects that augment an unarmed strike augment your specific weapon
2.1 Specific rule beats general: Ascetic Style takes precedence over general Weapon Finesse handedness rules
3. Thus, Weapon Finesse can be used with Ascetic Style to augment your specific weapon
Yes? No?
Gun Dragon wrote: How do I make my monk use dex with his weapons? So Weapon Finesse is the correct answer, but it can only be used with light weapons or weapons that specifically allow. As a monk, you have the additional problem of needing a weapon with the "monk" quality so you can flurry with it.
Any light weapon with the "monk" quality would work with Weapon Finesse (as long as you're proficient with it).
For one-handed "monk" weapons that can be used with Weapon Finesse, you're looking at...um...nothing, actually. I don't see any finessable weapons with the "monk" quality.
So you could try a swashbuckler dip. Or you could try a cleric dip and take the feat "Crusader's Flurry": that will let you treat your deity's favored weapon as a monk weapon. Just find a deity with a finessable weapon that you like.
Do I want to move some points into strength?
My Self wrote: Ascetic Style wrote: Benefit(s): Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks. I'm going to go out on an insane crazy-logic branch right now, but bear with me:
0. Weapon Finesse cannot normally be used with a one-handed or two-handed weapon
1. Weapon Finesse can augment an unarmed strike
2. Ascetic Style lets effects that augment an unarmed strike augment your specific weapon
2.1 Specific rule beats general: Ascetic Style takes precedence over general Weapon Finesse handedness rules
3. Thus, Weapon Finesse can be used with Ascetic Style to augment your specific weapon
Yes? No? You are right. That is insane crazy logic. I am going to say NO, it most likely will not work.
The reason is thus: weapon finesse is not specifically augmenting unarmed strikes, but light weapons in general. If your unarmed strike, for some reason, counted as one handed (haha), then weapon finesse would not apply. It is acting on types of weapons in general, not unarmed strikes specifically.
I would say that the feats that ascetic style would work on would be feats that specifically work on unarmed strikes, such as weapon focus, or maybe something like snake style (assuming you could get 2 styles up at the same time).
Devil's advocate time:
CRB, PRD, Equipment wrote: Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed Melee Weapons: This designation is a measure of how much effort it takes to wield a weapon in combat. It indicates whether a melee weapon, when wielded by a character of the weapon's size category, is considered a light weapon, a one-handed weapon, or a two-handed weapon.
Light: A light weapon is used in one hand. It is easier to use in one's off hand than a one-handed weapon is, and can be used while grappling (see Combat). Add the wielder's Strength modifier to damage rolls for melee attacks with a light weapon if it's used in the primary hand, or half the wielder's Strength bonus if it's used in the off hand. Using two hands to wield a light weapon gives no advantage on damage; the Strength bonus applies as though the weapon were held in the wielder's primary hand only.
An unarmed strike is always considered a light weapon.
0. Specific one or two-handed monk weapons are not light weapons
1. Unarmed strikes are always considered light weapons
2. Ascetic Style treats your specific one or two-handed monk weapons as unarmed attacks
3. Your one or two-handed monk weapons are considered light weapons when you are using Ascetic Style
Don't get me wrong, it would be unreasonable to use it this way- I'd never let it fly in a game. But I'm seeing exactly how legal/illegal it is.
Ascetic style does not allow a weapon to be finessed.
Ascetic style wrote: Prerequisite(s): Weapon Focus with the chosen melee weapon; base attack bonus +1 or monk level 1st.
Benefit(s): Choose one weapon from the monk fighter weapon group. While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks.
Special: A 5th-level monk or character with the weapon training (monk) class feature can use Ascetic Style with any monk weapon, in addition to the chosen melee weapon.
Being able to finesse an unarmed strike is not an effect that augments an unarmed strike, it's a function of the unarmed strike being a light weapon. Despite being able to apply feats and effects that augment an unarmed strike to weapon with ascetic style, ascetic style does not make the weapon an unarmed strike. It is still a weapon, and it is still it's normal size (light, one-handed, or two-handed).
Imbicatus has the right of it; to "augment an unarmed strike" the ability needs to specifically call out unarmed strikes.
Weapon Master Handbook had rules for weapon creation. If you are playing in a home game you can always ask your GM to let you build a weapon that fits the design you want with the qualities you are asking for.
Is the Kama, Double Chained considered both a Double weapon and two light weapons? Or Do I want fighting Fans? Or should I remake my stats and focus on strength a little more than dexterity? What do you all suggest?
Is this stats better?
Str 10,6,-2,1,1
Dex 10,3,2
Con 10,4
Int 10,
Wis 10,4
Cha 10,2,2
Str 16
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 14
Cha 14
This is without magic items at level 9. The archetype allows me to use my monk bonus Feats for magical tails Feats. Which the charisma is for my spell-like abilities. I have 46,000 gold pieces to spend. How will I make the best use of my gold? Should I go with a belt of dex+con, Str+ con and or a headband of wis+cha? Plus a monk's robe? And which Feats do I want in order? I am making an unchained Kitsune monk with the archetype called Kyuubi Visionary from the book Everyman Unchained Monk Archetypes II written by Alexander Augunas. The book is super cheap any it can be bought in the pazio 3rd party section. The book is $1.99 USA Dollars. It is super cool. 10 out of 5 stars for my rating. :P Is there a way to share you guys the book online without having people downloading it and it only stays on the web for a month? I do not want this book pirated.
I really want to play this monk. I have an ok with my GM. We need an Unchained Monk guide. I am trying to get help with my monk for a month.
Our game is on hold till someone can return.
How do I make this monk to not use weapons? What stats do I want?
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