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Hello. I just got into a Rise of the Rune Lords campaign with a Kitsune Ninja. I was thinking of after leveling up a bit, to multi-class into bard with the Giesha archetype, but we already have a bard. I'll give a link to the profile.

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PFS or home game?

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@GM_Beernog

Just a regular campaign of RotRL. Just looking for wither I should multi class or not, and if yes, what should I class into that would work thematically with my character and be good mechanically.


Next relevant question, beyond just making sense and working with the character as she stands, what area of focus or what type of abilities/skills/ etc are you looking to gain. I suspect from bard it is more social or buff though knowing the exact goal would be helpful.


In general, unless you have a very good reason and a specific build plan to pick up special abilities that work together, multi-classing results in weaker characters than just keeping to a specific class.

Don't mulitclass just to multiclass, you will almost certainly regret it.

If there are some specific things you don't like about your character, or if want a capability that you don't have, we might can suggest ways of getting there.


Also, you don't have to take bard levels to roleplay as a tea ceremony person or whatever. I've seen so many people go, I want to multiclass as a bard so I can be silly and flamboyant, when you can already do that as a fighter.


Chess Pwn has a point, flavor and fun need not only come from the most common source (class) of said flavor/fun, depending, skill points, a fun feat or two, and boom, no matter the class, your are doing something interesting and thematic.

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Alright, currently I'm the only martial of the group at the moment. I might as well keep with the ninja.


Your ninja is the only martial type PC, ouch, may want to consider bolstering your BAB with a full BAB class dip, cavalier could be interesting, and your Cha does not go to waste with that class.

Would be an odd build, but could be very fun playing a light armor stealthy ninja/cavalier, there are archetypes that trade mount out, as I do not see (most of the time) your ninja using mounted combat.

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I'm not really comfortable with using companions yet to use the cavalier, so definitely an archetype would have to do.


If you are the only melee character, then ninja will be rough as without flanking partners things get pretty tricky. That said, Bard wouldn't help that problem (actually hurt it since you would be slowing down you BAB even more.)

If you are the only guy on the front line, ninja is going to be really tough to keep alive too.

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Wait, I am sorry, there is another martial, and they are a Paladin( Chosen One).


hmmm, not up for animal companions, that could be a tough call for the right class then, as my thinking was if you were to use the huntmaster archetype of the cavalier, you could gain several war dogs, and thus have flanking companions that allow your ninja sneak attack to work much more often in battle. If you are the only up front melee, going to be hard to get those, and that is a good portion of your damage potential.


I suppose if you were willing to use one handed piercing weapons, you could go with the daring champion cavalier archetype, which gives you a number of high Dex friendly swashbuckler abilities

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Well I could always learn how to use companions, and there is another martial, a Paladin, whom can help me (sorry about forgetting that). Can you provide a link to that archetype and where it is from please (hunt master)


Sure.

huntmaster

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Thank you, i'll get back with you once I get home and read up on it.


Good luck Nenkota, I shall check in from time to time to see how your are doing.

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Seems really good. Reminds me of Kakashi from Naruto. My pack of ninja dogs.


Excellent, sounds like you will enjoy this character, and that is what really matters. (for best results, don't forget to equip your war dogs, and barding goes a long way for their survival)

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I'd also point out that, if built for melee/AC, a bard can be an amazing flank buddy. And - since they don't do a ton of damage themselves, they're more apt to do the maneuvering so that a ninja/rogue can get a full attack when flanking.


Would Slayer not be a good fit for a Ninja to multiclass into, pick up a full BAB class to help the Paladin? Gain studied target, if you pick up enough levels also adds to sneak attack and potentially rogue/ninja talents.


Slayer could indeed be, but we do not know if those classes are allowed ATM, that sounds like a question for the OP.

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All classes except occult are allowed.


Well, then slayer could very well work too, though on a personal level I have some issues with the "gestalt" classes. But with your paladin friend, your option are quite varied.

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Party composition is...

Witch (Cartomancer)
Ninja
Paladin (Chosen One)
Oracle (Spirit Guide)
Bard (Dawnflower Dervish)

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Im thinking of helping out with my high dex and purchasing maybe some ranged weapons. Would the Slayer (Sniper) archetype work fine, it extends my sneak attack range and gives bonuses to it as I go on in level.


Sniper would work well, and if your party is lowish on ranged characters, so much the better that you fill up that niche. Though in the end, I think what seems the most fun to you is really the "right" answer.

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Well I do want to feel like an awesome ninja. Hunt master feels really good, but the individual levels of your animal companions are divided among them by your effective druid lvl (in this case, cavalier). Sniper would fill the niche needed in our group for range martial attacks, and would allow me to effectively do serious damage to enemies from far away, as my sneak attack could now be from any range that is capable, as long as I am not detected by enemies. That and I'd add my Sniper (or Slayer) levels to damage, on top of the bonus.


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Alright, back on track here. From what I can tell, I think a ninja/slayer (sniper) combo is the ticket. You noted the party was sans a ranged non spell slinger style ranged combatant, and ninja plus sniper archetype slayer fills that role really well.

I would suggest getting vanish trick before swapping level advancement over to slayer. Nothing confuses non scent, tremorsense, blindsense foes like being invis, and having a good stealth. Vanish trick and few other things (like ki jump ability) will make you a very mobile sniper. While it may take a round to get into position each time, one could snipe, go invis, find new sniper position, snipe again, repeat, or do that for a few round, then vanish and close in to sneak attack via wakisashi to finish off those your sniper shots didn't kill.

Heck, this is sort of making me want to play a ninja multiclass, I have not done that in a long time. :)

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Thank you Beernorg.


See if your GM will let you take the upgrades of the Unchained rogue and apply them to your ninja.

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I'll take a look at that.


Anytime man.

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Red Mantis Assassin could be a nice PrC here


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Some of the posts in this thread make me wish the Paizo forums had an ignore function.

I am running RotRL right now with a party that includes a Ninja. He's doing just fine, so far. Remember to use your Vanishing Trick and Shadow Clones combined with the maneuverability provided by a high Acrobatics skill; these together will dramatically improve your survivability. With the rest of your party mix, unless you're making some mistakes in positioning or have bad luck, you should rarely be the primary target of the opponents. Your Ninja should be working the periphery of combats and not being stuck in the middle of melee.

As far as saves go, a few levels in Slayer will boost your Fortitude saves, and the Feat "Iron Will" can help with your Will saves. There are, of course, items that can assist with this, too.


Good point about the will save Saldiven, though, if foes can't see him, they can't charm him, just sayin'. :) (if save or suck/enchantment charms are getting thrown around allot, maybe better to stay invis via vanish trick and wait a round if needed to target the bugger throwing the spells, whenever possible.)

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Yea, if I'm a ninja, I should barely be in the fray of combat but o the outside, dashing in for damage, and escaping out, or even firing in. I should stay towards the invisibility angle use that to take out enemy casters. My main party got enough for the upfront damage and debuffing, I can provide ranged support and finishing blows with my sneak attacks from my raining down arrows of death sneak attacks.

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Thank you Chris, Merry Christmas and a happy Holiday and New Year to you.

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