Sooo...can i cast magic vestment on a robe of the archmage? The spell says it considers normal clothes as armor with armor bonus 0, but the robe is no normal clothimg..
The fact that it gives an armor bonus tough might qualify it as an armor and thus an adequate subject for the spell?
Or am I overcomplicating and it just wont stack?
Thanks for the help!
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I think that "regular clothing" is used to mean "any clothing that don't give a armor AC bonus".
Robe of the archemnagi give an armor AC bonus, so that make it unusual. I would say that you can cast magical vestment on it as it should count as armor (i.e. a vestment that give a armor AC bonus) but that is a personal interpretation, not an hard rule.
Essentially: ask your GM, opinions will vary.
I have always assumed that the Robe of the Archmagi was a special case of normal clothing (AC + 0) with a + 5 armor enhancement bonus, yeilding an armor bonus of 5.
It doesn't specifically say that, but that makes the most sense to me.
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I have always assumed that the Robe of the Archmagi was a special case of normal clothing (AC + 0) with a + 5 armor enhancement bonus, yeilding an armor bonus of 5.
It doesn't specifically say that, but that makes the most sense to me.
RAW it should spell it out for it to work that way. The requirements cite mage armor, that give you Armor bonus, not an enhancement bonus to armor.
I have always assumed that the Robe of the Archmagi was a special case of normal clothing (AC + 0) with a + 5 armor enhancement bonus, yeilding an armor bonus of 5.
It doesn't specifically say that, but that makes the most sense to me.
RAW it should spell it out for it to work that way. The requirements cite mage armor, that give you Armor bonus, not an enhancement bonus to armor.
I thought that 'doesn't specifically say that' covered those points. I will say though that the particular item in question has a very very long pedigree with wording that goes back several additions (and flavor even further.) Sometimes in such circumstances things are not as clear as they are with more recently created materials. Also, the item requires mage armor OR shield of faith, which provides a deflection bonus to AC. Which shows that one can't necessarily divine a bonus type from a spell requirement.
Strict RAW you are correct, in that is does just say it provides an armor bonus to AC. For the most part, I think it is a distinction without a difference though, as I can't think of anything that gives an armor enhancement bonus to a wondrous item, which is the only reason it would matter.
I probably would let them stack as given the realities of monsters you're dealing with by the time you get that Robe, the real threat is not attacks vs AC but grapple checks from monsters whose CMB is in the 40's.
thanks everyone for the answers! Looks like there is no definite consensus on the topic. Looks like my DM is going to be the final arbiter on the matter..still, if someone has anithing else to say,please do!
IMHO the bonus should stack, for even if the Vest is no normal clothing, the fact that it provides a +5 armor bonus ( the same kind of bonus provided by armor), be it because made of magically reinforced fabric or because a wizard of such power should be wise enough to know how to put a little mundane protection without impairing is movement, qualifies it as an armor, and thus makes it an eligible target for the spell.
so i agree with Diego, tough Drahliana has a a good point as well
