What is your suggested build for a character like Kyoshiro Senryo from Samurai Shodown?


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I was planning to create a character like him, and my actual build for it is a mixture of bard and sohei (stripping the Monastic Mount stuff away) or maybe a youxia monk.

What are your ideas?


Perhaps you could go with a Demon Dancer Skald? It would make sense to ensure that his performances are dances, given that he's a kabuki dancer, and skalds are proficient in all martial weapons, allowing you to use a naginata without taking weapon proficiency feats. You could also get this with a bardic weapon bard (perhaps also with violent performance).


Onyx Tanuki wrote:
Perhaps you could go with a Demon Dancer Skald? It would make sense to ensure that his performances are dances, given that he's a kabuki dancer, and skalds are proficient in all martial weapons, allowing you to use a naginata without taking weapon proficiency feats. You could also get this with a bardic weapon bard (perhaps also with violent performance).

It is an interesting class, but it adds some unrelated features to the character, but seems to work for the purpose of using dance, the performance, with the fighting style. Maybe to combine the Skald with a Monk would work?


I think the skald is not the right class for him, cause the skald have some barbarian features, a kabuki performer does not have.


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Ah! But you could always look at the Skald features as an evolution of the character. When you use Raging Song, it's entirely possible that he sings the tale of valiant warriors that inspires acts of savagery. The kabuki style of howls would allow for emphasis on it (in character). The Skald also gets some decent offensive spells if I remember right, I'd just reflavor the spell to be trinkets he uses in his performances. No mechanical changes, just let the GM know ahead of time, so they aren't confused why you through out a "fire breathing frog".

How do you think Genjuro Kibagami would work?

Once I get home and can look over my books, I'll give you a bit more help with Kyoshiro. He is one of my top four favorite Shodown characters.


Thanks in advance.


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So, on just a quick review I think I'd suggest, class wise, Monk (Kata Master) with Vow of Cleanliness and Bard (Daredevil, Flame Dancer). I want to play with the combination and see if it meshes. Geisha was a thought, for the weapon proficiency, but not sure if the lose of bardic knowledge is worth it. Check it out, it might be ok for you.


Exemplar Brawler could also possibly pull this off, since they get bardic performances like Inspire Courage.


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Can the Exemplar Brawler use a Naginata though?


LizardMage wrote:
So, on just a quick review I think I'd suggest, class wise, Monk (Kata Master) with Vow of Cleanliness and Bard (Daredevil, Flame Dancer). I want to play with the combination and see if it meshes. Geisha was a thought, for the weapon proficiency, but not sure if the lose of bardic knowledge is worth it. Check it out, it might be ok for you.

I like that build. I can give up the Vow of Cleanliness and i'd use the Lotus Geisha instead the Geisha, cause the Lotus Geisha can use Enrapture Performance, that's a Bardic Performance but for one target only for a more powerful effect and i don't need the tea ceremony stuff; but Geisha and Lotus Geisha are not compatible with Daredevil... I'd remove the extra feats of the Lotus Geisha and get the Daredevil or give up the Agile feture of the Daredevil and use the extra feats of the Lotus Geisha... hmmm.

I still ignore how to get the naginata in the build, cause the naginata is not going to benefit from the monk abilities.

LizardMage wrote:
I'd just reflavor the spell to be trinkets he uses in his performances.
And i like that idea a lot. Or maybe he uses magic to not to depend on the trinkets when not in the scenario.


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I thought that the Naginata counted as a monk weapon. Just looked it up, i'm dead wrong. Well, it's the personality that defines him, not his weapon after all.


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Yes, that's right... the personality is the best part of it.

I was thinking i can make him a magus (kensai) and bard (daredevil, flame dancer, lotus geisha (giving up its bonus feats to make it compatible with daredevil)) and it's done. He'll have the naginata, some magic, arcana and bardic and no monk stuff. Anyway, the build is more for support than pure combat or raw magic. The personality is going to make the rest, as you said.

What do you think of that build, LizardMage?


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I like it, though if you are swapping magus for monk (which I think works nicely) you can leave out the Daredevil if you want. Bardic Knowledge will represent his journey very well.

Magus was well thought of, I'd ask your GM if it's ok you treat your spells as plays, lines if you will. Again, like the stage trinkets, this would not be a mechanical change just flavor. Your spells would still be able to be counter/recognized etc. but like a little salt, the flavor goes along way.

The Kensai build was a good find, since part of Kyoshiro is incorporating the Naginata into kabuki and vice versa. Bravo.

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