Sorry if this has been covered before and I just am inept at finding it but after 4 hours of searching I am posting on the forums. 2 Questions
I am playing a Tengu Ninja with a four level dip in monk.
I am only going to use the natural weapons with Claw attack feature.
I wanted to see if it was possible to make my claws damage the same as my Monk unarmed strike damage. So I will have Claw/Claw/Bite and am looking to use the Monk Unarmed damage for this.
This I found the answer too
Here
It seems very simple, but my real question is that because this is possible due to Feral Combat training - Tengus Claw attack to me reads very similar.
Feral Combat Training Benefit - Choose one of your natural weapons. While using the selected natural weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite.
Tengus ability reads very similar - Claw Attack: Tengus with this racial trait have learned to use their claws as natural weapons. They gain two claw attacks as primary natural attacks that deal 1d3 points of damage, and are treated as having the Improved Unarmed Strike feat for the purpose of qualifying for other feats. This racial trait replaces swordtrained.
1) Does this mean that I don't have to take Feral Training Combat for my Claws. But I will still have to take it with Bite to get the bonus?
Can someone please shed some light if I am missing something.
2) Also do Monastic Legacy stack with the ninja trick Unarmed Combat Mastery?
Sorry if this has been covered before and I just am inept at finding it but after 4 hours of searching I am posting on the forums. 2 Questions
I am playing a Tengu Ninja with a four level dip in monk.
I am only going to use the natural weapons with Claw attack feature.
I wanted to see if it was possible to make my claws damage the same as my Monk unarmed strike damage. So I will have Claw/Claw/Bite and am looking to use the Monk Unarmed damage for this.This I found the answer too
Here
It seems very simple, but my real question is that because this is possible due to Feral Combat training - Tengus Claw attack to me reads very similar.Feral Combat Training Benefit - Choose one of your natural weapons. While using the selected natural weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite.
Tengus ability reads very similar - Claw Attack: Tengus with this racial trait have learned to use their claws as natural weapons. They gain two claw attacks as primary natural attacks that deal 1d3 points of damage, and are treated as having the Improved Unarmed Strike feat for the purpose of qualifying for other feats. This racial trait replaces swordtrained.
1) Does this mean that I don't have to take Feral Training Combat for my Claws. But I will still have to take it with Bite to get the bonus?
Can someone please shed some light if I am missing something.
2) Also do Monastic Legacy stack with the ninja trick Unarmed Combat Mastery?
What allows you to use your Feral Combat Training as part of your monk's unarmed attacks is the FAQ, not the description. As far as I can tell, this is one of those cases where the FAQ completely changes the rules. It would be reasonable to assume that the Claw Attack racial ability would do the same thing but the rules as written don't appear to support that since the FAQ only specified Feral Combat Training.
Thanks MeanMutton for the quick response. I really didn't understand why Feral Combat Training allowed natural attacks to use the base damage of the monk attacks.
And that is why I posted to see if the Tengu (Claw Attack alternate racial trait) which was written the same way did the same thing.
Thanks for the insight
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They don't anymore. They used to, but Feral Combat Training used to contain a line that allowed you to apply any effect that augment an unarmed strike to the natural weapon. That allowed you to add monk damage to the claws, but that line was removed.
Post errata, your claws can benefit from any feats that need unarmed strike, but will not use your monk damage, and will always be stuck at 1d3.
Wow this FAQ page was last updated May 2015. Did this just get missed then? or has it changed since then
Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat FAQ
Last updated: May 01, 2015.
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They don't anymore. They used to, but Feral Combat Training used to contain a line that allowed you to apply any effect that augment an unarmed strike to the natural weapon. That allowed you to add monk damage to the claws, but that line was removed.
Post errata, your claws can benefit from any feats that need unarmed strike, but will not use your monk damage, and will always be stuck at 1d3.
Yes - tengu with claws don't make very good normal monks due to this. They do now make awesome Masters of Many Styles since their own errata. The Master of Many Styles gives up flurry, which means that there is no disadvantage to adding in the tengu's claws & bite to their unarmed attacks.
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Wow this FAQ page was last updated May 2015. Did this just get missed then? or has it changed since then
Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat FAQ
Last updated: May 01, 2015.
The FAQ was written before ultimate combat was reprinted and the feat got errata. It's no longer valid for feral combat training, but it is valid for Ascetic Style, because it does have the effects that enhance an unarmed strike line.