Per the magic item creation rules:
"Creating a magic weapon has a special prerequisite: The creator's caster level must be at least three times the enhancement bonus of the weapon. If an item has both an enhancement bonus and a special ability, the higher of the two caster level requirements must be met. A magic weapon must have at least a 1 enhancement bonus to have any melee or ranged special weapon abilities."
So what is the caster level requirement to create a Sun Blade?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/specific-magic-weapons/su n-blade
Is it 6 (3 x the normal +2 enhancement bonus), 12 (3 x its +4 enhancement bonus vs evil) or something else keyed off one of its other properties?
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For existing items the caster level is always listed right at the top of the entry;
"Aura moderate evocation; CL 10th; Weight 2 lbs.; Price 50,335 gp"
As to how they got to 10th, that gets tricky with items that don't fit the simple pattern, but I'd guess that someone estimated it was about equivalent to a +5 weapon quality overall.
For existing items the caster level is always listed right at the top of the entry;
"Aura moderate evocation; CL 10th; Weight 2 lbs.; Price 50,335 gp"
As to how they got to 10th, that gets tricky with items that don't fit the simple pattern, but I'd guess that someone estimated it was about equivalent to a +5 weapon quality overall.
I don't think we can infer the special weapon caster level requirement from the CL of the item. A +1 Flaming sword would have a CL of 10, but a caster level requirement of only 3. (Though of course you couldn't even have the feat at 3rd level...)
Edit - Also, 10 doesn't work as an answer because the rule says we're multiplying by 3 to get there, and 10 isn't evenly divisible by 3.
Sunblade is a very specific item so you use the caster level listed in the box. Which is 10. actual a +1 Flaming sword requirement is Cl requirement is a 10. you take the great of of the caster levels.
as per this rule
Caster Level for Weapons: The caster level of a weapon with a special ability is given in the item description. For an item with only an enhancement bonus and other abilities, the caster level is three times the enhancement bonus. If an item has both an enhancement bonus and a special ability, of the two caster level requirements must be met.
but note you can ignore the caster level requirement when crafting/upgrading and Item by adding 5 to the DC of the crafting check.
That logic seems a little weird to me - that would mean that the caster level requirement to make a +3 sword would be 9, but the caster level requirement to make a +1 flaming sword (flaming being a +1 enchantment, so a total item enhancement for purposes of cost, etc. of +2) would be 10. Does that seem right to you?
Flaming doesn't have a caster level requirement.
Moderate evocation; CL 10th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor and flame blade, flame strike, or fireball; Price +1 bonus.
Spell Storing does.
Strong evocation (plus aura of stored spell); CL 12th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, creator must be a caster of at least 12th level; Price +1 bonus.
That logic seems a little weird to me - that would mean that the caster level requirement to make a +3 sword would be 9, but the caster level requirement to make a +1 flaming sword (flaming being a +1 enchantment, so a total item enhancement for purposes of cost, etc. of +2) would be 10. Does that seem right to you?Sunblade is a very specific item so you use the caster level listed in the box. Which is 10. actual a +1 Flaming sword requirement is Cl requirement is a 10. you take the great of of the caster levels.
as per this rule
Caster Level for Weapons: The caster level of a weapon with a special ability is given in the item description. For an item with only an enhancement bonus and other abilities, the caster level is three times the enhancement bonus. If an item has both an enhancement bonus and a special ability, of the two caster level requirements must be met.
but note you can ignore the caster level requirement when crafting/upgrading and Item by adding 5 to the DC of the crafting check.
It is a little strange, but it is true that special abilities often have higher Caster Level requirements than a simple enhancement bonus. You are in the Rules forum, so you will get a response concerning the rules. If you want to set custom caster levels that you think are more appropriate in your own home game, you are welcome to, but the rules in this case are clear. Look to the Caster Level of the item in the top of the section to set your base DC for creating the item, then look in the Construction Requirements. Add +5 to the DC for each requirement you do not meet.
actual flaming and it is 10, they all have a caster level, it is need to determine the save of said item, if left untended and it manged to get hit by fire ball ect.
I never said it didn't have a caster level. I said it doesn't have a caster level prerequisite. All prerequisites are listed in the item description, starting with the feats required. Flaming does not have a caster level prerequisite.
FAQ(Specifically about Pearl of Power, but applies here as well)
Though the listed Caster Level for a pearl of power is 17th, that caster level is not part of the Requirements listing for that item. Therefore, the only caster level requirement for a pearl of power is the character has to be able to cast spells of the desired level.
It isn't a prerequisite unless it appears in the prerequisite location of the description.
There is some ambiguity here.
The CL of the enhancement bonus IS a requirement and you can only ignore it by adding +5 as per the rule that has been quoted in this thread.
Abilities like Flaming don't have a CL requirement, so it seems like you can safely ignore the CL when you make it. But the rule says " the higher of the two caster level requirements must be met".
We know we cannot bypass the first CL requirement (without raising the Spellcraft DC), but if we MUST use meet the higher requirement, does this then also mean that that becomes the new un-bypassable CL requirement?
In other words, a +1 Flaming sword has two CL requirements, the CL3 requirement for the enhancement bonus that you cannot bypass without raising the Spellcraft DC, and the CL 10 non-requirement for Flaming that you can just ignore - but if you take the higher of them, CL10, does it become a requirement now, so you must be CL 10 or raise the Spellcraft DC?
No. The CL 10 non-requirement is..... stop me if I'm going too fast.... not a requirement.
No. The CL 10 non-requirement is..... stop me if I'm going too fast.... not a requirement.
I agree. But the weapon crafting rules say "you MUST use it" (if it's the higher one) which makes it sound like it is a new REQUIREMENT replacing the old REQUIREMENT.
The CL 10 is just the caster level of the item, but it is not a requirement for creating the item.
For purposes of magic weapon the special ability may have a requirement level, such as the spell storing ability which uses CL 12. Also to create a weapon of a certain enhancement you have to meet a certain caster level per the general magic weapon creation rules. If you are creating a weapon such as a +3 weapon which has a requirement of CL 9, then you would need CL 12 because the spell storing has a higher CL requirement.
If not requirement is in the prereq section then no caster level is required beyond those in the general magic weapon making rules.
A standard sunblade is CL 10th. The actual minimum to make a weapon with all the sunblade's powers is 6th -- the higher of three times its +2 bonus (6th), and the minimum level for its prerequisite spell, daylight (5th, because it is a 3rd level spell).
It also has five unique qualities, so good luck pricing one that is not CL 10th.
The Sun Blade has this line:
Construction Requirements: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, daylight, creator must be good
The feat requires CL 5
The spell is 3rd, and neds CL 5The description mentions:
In normal combat, the glowing golden Blade of the weapon is equal to a +2 bastard sword. Against evil creatures, its enhancement bonus is +4. Against Negative Energy Plane creatures or undead creatures, the sword deals double damage (and ×3 on a critical hit instead of the usual ×2).
The +2 requires CL 6
While +4 is mentioned, it is not always on, so may not be a normal requirement, but perhaps more like the Bane property.From the above, you must be at least CL 6.
/cevah