Can you fly in medium or heavy wild armor?


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Under the new FAQ, can a druid fly while wearing medium or heavy wild armor?

Liberty's Edge

How are you flying?
If you are using the Fly spell (or equivalent, such as the witch's Flight hex), then yes.

CRB Fly spell wrote:
The subject can fly at a speed of 60 feet (or 40 feet if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load). It can ascend at half speed and descend at double speed, and its maneuverability is good.

EDIT: If you have wings, then you have a base fly speed, so medium or heavy armor will slow you down, as shown in this table . You will have to scroll down to see the table. Also, Fly is a dexterity skill, so the armor check penalty applies.

Of course, if you are using wings to fly, the question remains of whether the armor has holes so your wings can protrude.


Yes.

If you use Wildshape to turn into an eagle, your Wild armor melds with you (it cannot be seen) so it's not like you're an eagle wrapped in 30 pounds of tight-fitting or motion-limiting armor - you can still flap your wings and fly.

You get all the benefits of the armor (because it's "Wild") but all the penalties, too, such as encumbrance and reduced movement speed.

I'm not sure if there are rules for how much speed you lose. A human in medium armor goes from 30 to 20, but it's not a flat -10 because a creature in medium barding that has a movement rate of 60 is reduced to just 40. So the armor speed reduction scales with your speed.

I would just use the barding table if applicable, and if your form is faster than that (an eagle flies at 80 which is not on the table), then find the value that is half (speed 40 in medium armor moves at 30) and then double it (so an eagle in medium armor would fly at 60).

Best I can do.


Yes, but note that they cannot serve as flying mounts.


Quote:
If you have wings, then you have a base fly speed, so medium or heavy armor will slow you down, as shown in this table .

That table is for base speeds, I don't believe there are any written rules for fly speeds being affected.

Using the base speed table anyway though will probably work just fine.


Theconiel wrote:
Of course, if you are using wings to fly, the question remains of whether the armor has holes so your wings can protrude.

The armor melds into your body so it doesn't need holes (and attacks against your wings get the benefit of the armor).


Theconiel wrote:

How are you flying?

If you are using the Fly spell (or equivalent, such as the witch's Flight hex), then yes.
CRB Fly spell wrote:
The subject can fly at a speed of 60 feet (or 40 feet if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load). It can ascend at half speed and descend at double speed, and its maneuverability is good.

EDIT: If you have wings, then you have a base fly speed, so medium or heavy armor will slow you down, as shown in this table . You will have to scroll down to see the table. Also, Fly is a dexterity skill, so the armor check penalty applies.

Of course, if you are using wings to fly, the question remains of whether the armor has holes so your wings can protrude.

I'm currently planning a Mutation Warrior and one of its main strengths is the ability to get realiable flight for a fighter (aside from the fact I'll have to put those oh so scarce skill points into a skill like fly that's not a class skill for fighters...) and this is all good advice so thanks.


scroll down a little and it has the adjustments for up to 120' base speed


DM_Blake wrote:


You get all the benefits of the armor (because it's "Wild") but all the penalties, too, such as encumbrance and reduced movement speed.

That is the part that has had me wondering. If they suffer from encumbrance, as well as "counting as wearing armor" (paraphrasing here) would that throw them into restrictions?

Glad to see so many saying it wouldn't impact, by the way.


SquirrelyOgre wrote:
DM_Blake wrote:


You get all the benefits of the armor (because it's "Wild") but all the penalties, too, such as encumbrance and reduced movement speed.

That is the part that has had me wondering. If they suffer from encumbrance, as well as "counting as wearing armor" (paraphrasing here) would that throw them into restrictions?

What do you mean, "throw them into restrictions"?

The FAQ is very clear: all the "restrictions" of armor apply. Reduced movement, armor check penalty, arcane failure, max DEX. You're still wearing it and getting the benefit of the AC it provides, so you're still subject to all the "restrictions" it provides, too.

Previous posters even found a great table that shows how armor affects your movement for speeds up to 120 base speed. Awesome. Those rules apply if your Wild armor is medium or heavy. Per the FAQ.

But no, it doesn't "restrict" you from flapping your wings or making other movement appropriate to your new form (swishing your fins or constricting like a snake or grappling like an octopus, etc.) because it's melded into your body.

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