Does a Cavalier who got Dazzling Display through Order of the Cockatrice need to take Weapon Focus to take Disheartening Display?


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Second Seekers (Roheas)

There is the Ability in question:
At 2nd level, the cavalier can spend a standard action to extol his own accomplishments and battle prowess. He receives Dazzling Display as a bonus feat. He does not need a weapon in hand to use this ability.

And for Disheartening Display it specifically states: Prerequisite(s): Dazzling Display, Weapon Focus, base attack bonus +6, proficiency with chosen weapon.

Which would seem to indicate that Weapon Focus is only a requirement insofar as it is related to your chosen weapon. The Order of the Cockatrice specifically sidesteps this nuance what's more can use it as a standard action.

I have a build that I am working on where obviously if I can skip taking weapon focus I would like to, but I am not sure if that's possible.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Sadly, such a character would still need Weapon Focus. A prerequisite is a prerequisite, whether you need it or not.

However, ask your GM - they might be willing to give you a pass. I probably would. ^_^


Actually bonus feats do not bypass the requisites unless they specify so. So, even Dazzling Display needs you to have a Weapon Focus, even if you then can use it unarmed.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Dekalinder wrote:
Actually bonus feats do not bypass the requisites unless they specify so. So, even Dazzling Display needs you to have a Weapon Focus, even if you then can use it unarmed.

I do not believe this to be the intention in this case; however, I should be getting to bed, and unfortunately, do not have the time to sort it out.

I recommend getting a second opinion. ^_^


I do also believe in that was not the intention. However, I was merely arguing rules, since those (most of the times) do not require mind-reading powers.


You would still need the Weapon Focus for Disheartening Display because that is a pre-requisite listed for that Feat.

Regardless of whether or not you need Weapon Focus for the bonus feat granting Dazzling Display, the pre-requisites for Disheartening Display include both WF and DD.

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