Kineticist: Why the rules about 'hands'?

[mojo27]

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Kinetic Blast (Sp)

As a standard action, the kineticist can unleash a kinetic blast at a single target up to a range of 30 feet. She must have at least one hand free to aim the blast (or one prehensile appendage, if she doesn't have hands).

So a Grippli Kineticist that took the Agile Tongue feat, with hands bound, couldn't aim her blast. But if somehow her hands were cut off, suddenly she could use her Agile Tongue to aim her Blast.

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Gather Power (Su)

If she has both hands free (or all of her prehensile appendages free, for unusual kineticists), a kineticist can gather energy or elemental matter as a move action.

After getting her other hand cut off, now she can Gather Power with her Agile Tongue and really start giving it to her captors.

I know I'm being pedantic, but what the hell is the reasoning behind the "handiness" of Kineticists? Carrying shields?

[Goddity]

And if we cut all of our Gripplis hands and tongues off, can we satisfy the "All prehensile appendages free" requirement?

[jbadams]

I think the spirit of that rule is not to allow the use of a prehensile appendage for a creature that has it's hands disabled or removed, but to make the class usable for races that never had hands in the first place.

'Normal' casters often need a hand free as well. I think the extra bit has just been added to preemptively deal with "but I don't have hands...".

[CalethosVB]

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

[Rynjin]

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

Oh no! High level Kineticists might be able to deal typeless damage thrice a day! PERISH THE F%$&ING THOUGHT.

[blackbloodtroll]

I miss the 3.5 Warlock.

[Stalchild]

Rynjin wrote:

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

Oh no! High level Kineticists might be able to deal typeless damage thrice a day! PERISH THE F%&!ING THOUGHT.

This... this made me laugh.

[Helcack]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

I miss the 3.5 Warlock.

As do I.

[Azten]

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

"Hey, fighter, you can't use your Gloves of Dueling unless your hands are free!"

No, just no. A class should be able to use an item specifically designed for that class without having to take Quick Draw or use a weapon cord. How could they have thought it was a good idea?

Also: this isn't directed at you. Just using your post as a way of illustrating my point.

[CalethosVB]

Stalchild wrote:

Rynjin wrote:

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

Oh no! High level Kineticists might be able to deal typeless damage thrice a day! PERISH THE F%&!ING THOUGHT.

This... this made me laugh.

My wife thinks I'm crazy for how much I'm laughing at someone else laughing at this.

[Ravingdork]

Azten wrote:

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

"Hey, fighter, you can't use your Gloves of Dueling unless your hands are free!"

No, just no. A class should be able to use an item specifically designed for that class without having to take Quick Draw or use a weapon cord. How could they have thought it was a good idea?

Also: this isn't directed at you. Just using your post as a way of illustrating my point.

Traditional kineticists can't even make them. Why do you think a traditional kineticist would be able to use them?

/tongue in cheek

[Texas Snyper]

Ravingdork wrote:

Azten wrote:

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

"Hey, fighter, you can't use your Gloves of Dueling unless your hands are free!"

No, just no. A class should be able to use an item specifically designed for that class without having to take Quick Draw or use a weapon cord. How could they have thought it was a good idea?

Also: this isn't directed at you. Just using your post as a way of illustrating my point.

Traditional kineticists can't even make them. Why do you think a traditional kineticist would be able to use them?

/tongue in cheek

Wouldn't it just require a kineticist to take the Master Craftsman feat to do it? /kills the joke

[haremlord]

Texas Snyper wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

Azten wrote:

CalethosVB wrote:

Normal casters need a hand free, not all hands free.

This was done so that they could not Gather Power with the Vril Staff and be able to use typeless damage in a big blast.

"Hey, fighter, you can't use your Gloves of Dueling unless your hands are free!"

No, just no. A class should be able to use an item specifically designed for that class without having to take Quick Draw or use a weapon cord. How could they have thought it was a good idea?

Also: this isn't directed at you. Just using your post as a way of illustrating my point.

Traditional kineticists can't even make them. Why do you think a traditional kineticist would be able to use them?

/tongue in cheek

Wouldn't it just require a kineticist to take the Master Craftsman feat to do it? /kills the joke

Master Craftsman allows only Craft Arms & Armor and Craft Wondrous Item. Not Craft Staff. /raises the joke from the dead