Perception checks to notice spells as they are being cast


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With the FAQ on spells and spellcrafting stating that ALL spells have visual effects, the question I want an answer to is this:

What it the DC to SEE this visual effect?

Also worth discussing, what modifiers are applied? Does the level of the spell make it easier to see? How does cover/concealment/invisibility and so forth affect this?

Perhaps this should be in homebrew or suggestions, but as this is a mechanic that will likely be asked about in PFS, I'm putting it here.


I would assume that the DC is dependant on whether the caster is visible (0) or using stealth (Opposed by Stealth), and then modified by the perception modifiers as normal for a visual effect (so no through door or through wall).


Would the level of the spell be a factor in any way? Meaning more powerful spells are easier to spot (or perhaps harder?).

Does the visual effect of casting override Invisibility?

I like your idea of Stealth making it harder to spot... Would lead to sneaky mages. :D


alexd1976 wrote:
Would the level of the spell be a factor in any way? Meaning more powerful spells are easier to spot (or perhaps harder?).

Could be interesting, but there is no evidence of that in the rules.

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Does the visual effect of casting override Invisibility?

My assumption lies on it being tied to the caster, so the visual effects would be affected by invisibility (I think)....

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I like your idea of Stealth making it harder to spot... Would lead to sneaky mages. :D

Thank god that "Notice a creature using Stealth" is a specific listed thing in it.


Milo v3 wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Would the level of the spell be a factor in any way? Meaning more powerful spells are easier to spot (or perhaps harder?).

Could be interesting, but there is no evidence of that in the rules.

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Does the visual effect of casting override Invisibility?

My assumption lies on it being tied to the caster, so the visual effects would be affected by invisibility (I think)....

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I like your idea of Stealth making it harder to spot... Would lead to sneaky mages. :D
Thank god that "Notice a creature using Stealth" is a specific listed thing in it.

To be fair, there is no evidence of ANY DC for Perception in the rules, in regards to the visible effect of casting.

It's all supposition at this point.

I was thinking the spell level would affect it because of Concentration, and the idea that more powerful spells basically use more 'magic energy', so whatever causes the noticeable effect would be, you know, more noticeable.

But again, all just conjecture.


My assumption is based on the fact the manifestation is attached to the spellcaster because you are noticing that the specific spellcaster is casting a spell.


Could an existing illusion spell perhaps be used to mask or even remove the signs of casting?

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