Pain taster question

[Nate Perrone]

So I was looking at building a pain taster and I kept seeing people mention that you get cruelty with the whips and slashing weapons but looking at it now everything seems to only say whips. Was the changed at some point?

[lemeres]

Seconded. I ended up looking back at the pain taster for other reasons, and noticed that it seems...different. I explicitly remembering seeing it with slashing too before. Also, I am pretty sure it could allow you to double up routines to get a +4 enhancement bonus to a score, rather forcing you to pick two different ones.

A quick look at some of the listed publishing history online indicates that it was originally released in second darkness, and the got rereleased in Occult Mysteries.

Was it nerfed there? I can honestly not see why. Sneak attack is not something unique enough that you have to restrict it to a 'meh' weapon, and the enhancement bonus made it a 'meh' option for PCs (who would usually get head bands or belts instead). I always viewed it as more of a way to make buffed up mooks that do not leave as much cashable loot.

[Nate Perrone]

Well my plan was to barbarian and then prestige into pain taster and the low low damage of the whip doesn't fit a barbarian well I think. And if it's only with whips then I'd be foregoing a class ability that has potential.

[My Self]

I wonder if you can just take the Pain Taster initiation ritual and gain the benefit without actually taking levels or having the requisite feats for Pain Taster.

[Jeff Merola]

Pain Taster was originally from Pathfinder #15—Second Darkness Chapter 3: "The Armageddon Echo", which was a 3.5 product. That version is the one you're remembering. It was later changed around and reprinted in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Occult Mysteries last year, which is the version that's on d20pfsrd.

[lemeres]

Jeff Merola wrote:

Pain Taster was originally from Pathfinder #15—Second Darkness Chapter 3: "The Armageddon Echo", which was a 3.5 product. That version is the one you're remembering. It was later changed around and reprinted in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Occult Mysteries last year, which is the version that's on d20pfsrd.

Well, the version printed there now.

If I remember correctly, there is a lot of paizo's compatible 3.5 material that is on the site. So it is not too unusual for it to have been on d20pfsrd

[Jeff Merola]

lemeres wrote:

Jeff Merola wrote:

Pain Taster was originally from Pathfinder #15—Second Darkness Chapter 3: "The Armageddon Echo", which was a 3.5 product. That version is the one you're remembering. It was later changed around and reprinted in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Occult Mysteries last year, which is the version that's on d20pfsrd.

Well, the version printed there now.

If I remember correctly, there is a lot of paizo's compatible 3.5 material that is on the site. So it is not too unusual for it to have been on d20pfsrd

Well, yes, I meant now. The old version was on there before the new one was published.