Rules section - Curses that require a Limited Wish, Wish or Miracle to remove

[Ty-Ri]

Posted in regular PF vice PFS;
Received a curse at requires a limited wish, wish or miracle to remove. Without spoilers, if I have to use the a limited wish, or wish - can I instead change the condition from a baneful one to a beneficial one?

SPOILER - The curse provides SR to beneficial spells being cast (I assume either by me or by someone else).

My thinking is - if a limited wish can remove the curse, then a limited wish should be able to change the condition of the curse from beneficial to baneful effects.

Using the logic of least amount of power used (that old adage when dealing with such magic, easier to teleport a magic sword than to create one). In my case I am removing the entire magic just changing the conditions. Honestly, I think I do not hold any hope to gain such a BOON in the PFS.

Additionally, how would potions or wand effects work? I am guessing they either work, or they are calculated by the minimum creation level, CL3 for potions and CL5 (or >) for wands depending on the spell to provide a base number to add to d20 to overcome the SR.

Personally, I just going to spent the Prestige Points to have it removed, Still I like the ideal of twisting a curse into something worthwhile using the same power listed to remove it.

[andreww]

There is no basis for turning it into a beneficial effect within PFS. Homes games may well differ.

As far as potions and wands go, they are all made at minimum caster level from the lowest of the wizard, cleric or druid list. If a spell doesnt appear on any of those I would use the lowest available caster level.

Similarly, if you are buying a spellcasting service using PP that is also minimum caster level. If you are using cash you can buy a higher caster level casting. I find that a lot of people forget that remove disease, neutralise poison, break enchantment and remove curse all require caster level checks to work. For the first two Heal may well be a better option as it is guaranteed.

[Ty-Ri]

Thanks Andrew <G>

yea the curse specifically indicates only a Limited wish, Wish or Miracle will remove it.

The curse grants SR 5 plus user CL (in my case 8) against beneficial spells. i will need to spend 8pp to have it removed.

I was just toying with the concept that if it takes a the power of the fore mentioned spells to remove, could those same spell alter nature of the curse to its opposite. I figured the writers wanted the curse to be very difficult to remove and did not take into consideration of a creative solution.

Even in a home game, would probably rule that the intricacies of the curse could not be changed - only unraveled.

Agree with you on the potions and wands, and I like your insight on the use of Heal vice Remove Disease and Neutralize poison. Thanks again.

[GreySector]

Also note that SR never interferers with your own spells, items, or abilities.

Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide v7.0 p. 25 wrote:

All potions, scrolls, wands, and other consumables are made by clerics, druids, or wizards in Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The only exceptions are spells that are not on the cleric, druid, or wizard spell list. For example, a scroll of lesser restoration must be purchased as a 2nd-level scroll off the cleric spell list and may not be purchased as a 1st-level scroll off the paladin spell list. If a spell appears at different levels on two different lists, use the lower level spell to determine cost.

[GreySector]

Ty-Ri wrote:

The curse grants SR 5 plus user CL (in my case 8) against beneficial spells.

The SR only applies to (harmless) spells, not beneficial spells. Although most (harmless) spells are beneficial, not all beneficial spells are (harmless).

[GreySector]

andreww wrote:

I find that a lot of people forget that remove disease, neutralise poison, break enchantment and remove curse all require caster level checks to work. For the first two Heal may well be a better option as it is guaranteed.

The Heal skill when used to treat poison and treat disease only gives a +4 to the save if the check result exceeds the DC of the affliction (unlike in 3.5 where the skill check would replace your saving throw if it was better).

[Cao Phen]

I think he means the Heal spell, not Heal skill.

[GreySector]

Cao Phen wrote:

I think he means the Heal spell, not Heal skill.

Ah, that would be heal, not Heal; hence my confusion.

[andreww]

Michael Eshleman wrote:

The Heal skill when used to treat poison and treat disease only gives a +4 to the save if the check result exceeds the DC of the affliction (unlike in 3.5 where the skill check would replace your saving throw if it was better).

Yes, the Heal spell, 660gp to guarantee disease and poison removal.

[Ty-Ri]

@Michael...your are correct 'harmless' vice beneficial, however the base question was, if the limited wish, wish or miracle could remove it, could they also be used to alter the curse from "harmless" to "harmful" - using the conservation of energy theory, that is easier to alter than remove.

In addition, I do think the baneful effect of this curse would apply to ANY "harmless" spell cast upon the bearer of the curse. I believe the spirt and intent of the curse is baneful and thus only complete removal using the fore-mentioned spells can be done.

But, hey - if 8pp can get me SR 13 against harmful spells, I will spent it, plus selling the curse location for two gold to boot <evil grin>

Thanks ya'll for your comments - and remember to begin ALL your wish casting with, "I wish, with no ill effects to myself not my allies, that..."

[John Compton]

It would be clever to wish the curse into a benefit, but that's a lasting effect that's really tough to adjudicate fairly in an organized play setting. Sadly no, the limited wish is only powerful enough to remove the effect entirely, not twist it to your advantage.

[Ty-Ri]

Thanks for the input everyone, I appreciate this minor exploration of wishes and curses ;)