The Eponymous Council (Spoilers)


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What do we know about the actual composition of the Council (before Chammady changes it)?

There are eight nobles on the Council, four of whom are patriarchs/matriarchs (Vassindio Drovenge, Eirtein Oberigo, Lord/Lady Salisfer, and Lord/Lady Dioso (Lord Lucio Dioso IMC)) and four of lesser status. (PF30 p. 11) We don't know the families of these other four, but we can possibly eliminate some, or at least speculate.

It seems most unlikely that Visbaronetess Aulamaxa is a member, and if it had been a member of her family assassinated in chapter six then I suspect the adventure path would mention it. I feel we can rule them out as belonging to the Council.

Similarly, given the nature of Calseinica Nymmis' family's involvement in chapter six it seems rather unlikely that they are represented on the Council.

Lord Ghival has systematically impoverished the rest of his family, and the way they are discussed suggests that none of them had any pull with the Council, let alone a seat on it.

Lord Mayor Arvanxi seems to be the only living member of his House in town (since his older sister Lonosete married out of it), and he himself is clearly not a Council member.

None of the Arvanxi client Houses (Mhartis, Ciucci, and Rasdovain) are given any kind of recognition by Council agents, and the kind of care to cover one's tracks when moving against fellow Council nobles is not in evidence. I feel it's safe to rule them out.

The fact that agents of the Council seem to have caused Sascar Tilernos to disappear suggests that House Tilernos is not affiliated with the Council. (I might be wrong about this, though; I'm not sure I actually understand the subplot surrounding her disappearance.)

House Chard is an interesting possibility, but I can't help but think that Paralictor Chard might have mentioned the assassination of one of his family members by the Council when talking to the PCs.

The description of House Rosala in chapter six suggests none of them are (or have been) sitting on the Council.

House Ulvauno is a possibility, but they frankly don't need any more focus.

I like House Khollarix for one of the four other Houses. They aren't expanded upon within the body of the adventure path, but the excellent fan-created document on the Dusk Market ties them to the illicit slave trade.

This still leaves lots of possibilities: Atenaar, Cemaine, Chillarth, Etrovain, Grulios, Ici, Imvius, Julistarc, Lorialn, Mezinas, Mironeth, Missepe, Nolmon, Phandros, Rufano, Rustachas, Seidraith, Starnon, Ucarlaar, Vitaron, and Xerysis. For my campaign, I think I'm going with Khollarix, Mironeth, Seidreth, and Vitaron.

Aside from the eight noble members, do we know if there were any others? I can't seem to find an actual number anywhere, though we know they all comfortable sat around a table in Room D15 of Walcourt.

Have any of you done anything in terms of nailing down membership further?


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Good discussion to bring up! I'm surprised that they hasn't been a more concrete outlining of the Council. I can understand how they want to leave some of it up for others to fill in - especially for creators of the earlier adventures, as well as for DMs. But still, it is odd the so much about the Council (and even the Children of Westcrown) is side fluff.

In my game, the Council of Thieves underwent an upheaval just like Cheliax did when Aroden died. More powerful members followed the crown to Egorian, and less powerful members were snuffed out or supported the new members who took over. Also, they changed their name to the Treasury.... maybe the Twilight Treasury (haven't had to pin down a name yet since the players haven't come across the name yet but just came up with that one and kinda like it). Because in a sense, it's a new organization, but also because it would be a bit silly to keep using the a name that people already know while trying to be secretive.

Anyway, I thought that all the powerful non-good Noble Houses were members of the Council. And the families beholden to them may or may not be in the Council too but not as top members. But I suppose that doesn't have to be the case. It would be interesting if some families beholden to Council houses weren't part of it, and if some families beholden to non-Council houses were in it!

In the 6th book, I think it talks about how the heads of all the noble houses in the Council were assassinated, and one of them is Duxotar Ilthus Mhartis, which isn't a top house but a beholden family. Also, I went through the books and tried to make a list of everyone officially connected to the Council - even members that are dead (or undead) when the PCs encounter them.

The formatting won't work here, but I'll do my best to try and make this list comprehensible. It basically lists people underneath the higher-ups to which they report. Someone with 3 dashes (---) reports to the person above them with 2 dashes (--), and someone with 2 dashes (--) reports to the person above them with 1 dash (-). Don't quite remember who the people at Walcourt report to...maybe Ilnerik?

COUNCIL OF THIEVES

House Drovenge (Taldan) – Imvius, Lorialn, Xerysis

- Vassindio Drovenge (LE Ari14) (LOYALIST)

-- Jalki (NE Rog4 - human male - LOYALIST)

- Sidonai (son of Vass, father of Cha+Ecc)

- Chammady & Eccardian
-- Crosael Simiin Rasdovain (LE Brd9 - tiefling female)
-- Sian Daemodus (LE Rog5/Sha3 - tiefling female)
-- Zol (LE Brb1/Mnk10 - half-orc male - CLEANER)
-- Ilnerik Sivanshin: Lord of Shadows (CE Brd7/Rog3/Chr3 - hale-elf vampire male)
---Father Jair (NE Clr6 Norgorber - human vampire male)
---Vashian: The Mazeflesh Man (CE Ftr6 - Varisian human vampire male)
---Vahnwynne Malkistra (LE Ran4/Rog2 - elf vampire female)
---Jerusen (NE Rog8 - human vampire male)
---Shadow Lord (Nihiloi)
---Silana (CE Sor8 – human vampire female)
---Irimeian (devourer - Sunset Gate)
--- Palaveen (advanced morgh), Dravano, Ostengo, Vethamer (morgh x3) – Cader Boneyard
--- Thesing (CE Rog7/Exp3 - human vampire male)
--- Signifier Ara Verennie (LE Sor11 - human ghost female)
-- Avahzi Serafian (LE Clr7/Dia2 Mammon - elf female)
---Novankia (LE imp female - companion)
---Lozendi (Rog - ?? - killed by erinyes in Book 4)
---Aberten Vittershins: The Dealer (NE Sor7/Har3 - halfling male)
-- Maglin (LE Rog7/Ass3 - human male)
-- Kruthe the Hammer (NE Ftr8 - human ogrekin male)
-- Stiglor (NE Ran10 - human male - ex-dottari)
-- Cervesi (NE Rog8/Ass3 - human female – Council captain)
-- Blacknapes (CE Ftr4/Rog2 – human) x8
-- Skarx Veskandi (LE Mnk12 - tiefling female)
---Naxess (imp male)
---Vexess (imp female)
-- Melavengian (LE Clr7 Mammon - barbed devil)
---erinyes x4 (slave barge)
---bearded devils x6 + hellcats x2 (hunting down nobles)
---Belessima (shaitan genie female)
-- Liebdaga the Twin
---Nyxervex (bone devil)
----Isavenda (erinyes)

Walcourt: --Ophal (ogre mage female)
--Dark Creeper Footpads
--Dark Stalker Guildsmen
--Manus Undiomede (morgh - ex-guildmaster)
--Sandor the Strange (CE Wiz12 diviner - human male)

* * * * *
House Oberigo (Chelish) – Aulamaxa, Ghival
- Eirtein (LOYALIST)

House Salsifer (Chelish) - Chillarth, Rustachas

House Arvanxi (Chelish) – Mhartis, Ciucci, Rasdovain
- Aberian

House Julistarc (Taldan) – Seidraith, Cemaine

House Khollarix (Chelish) – Nymmis, Rufano
* * * * *

I'm hoping this list will help me introduce some members to the PCs earlier in the game, especially the ones that are dead or undead when the PCs encounter them. For example, they just met Signifier Ara at the Cornucopia where she represented the Church of Asmodeus (but they also saw her in Hellknight garb in the Six Trials audience). She happened to take a particular interest in one of the PCs who is an ex-member of the Church and now worships Cayden. He was semi-powerful in the Church but lost his abilities when he turned his back on Asmodeus.


This is very well done! I was just in the process of creating this exact resource, and you beat me to it. I would add Lord Ghival as under Chammady's thumb.

The reason that I think that the Council is smaller than having a representative of almost every House is that committees that size have trouble getting anything done, and for all of Chammady's complaining the Council has managed to keep crime organized in Westcrown for centuries. Even having eight members means that their meetings will be long, but manageable. If your list works for your game though, you should of course stick with it.

Thanks again for the agent list!

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