Since it was printed up until like 2 weeks ago the titan mauler didn't have the line "She can use two-handed weapons meant for creatures one size category larger, but the penalty for doing so is increased by 4." in that ability. Thus up until like 2 weeks ago you couldn't but like 2 weeks ago Paizo issued an errata that added it and now it can.
You read the ability for face value now. Don't look at or listen to anything but what is written. You can wield a Large Greatsword with a -6 to the attack rolls. -2 for normal oversized weapon, and an additional -4 for it being an oversized two-handed weapon.
Sooo.. given medium sized weapon damage dice, this lets you take a -6 penalty to gain an additional 2-3 damage ON AVERAGE**
The turn by turn actual bonus damage could be as little as 0 or as much as 6, depending on the roll.
Alternatively, Power Attack allows you to take -1 penalty to hit, and get a consistent +3 damage when using a properly sized 2 handed weapon...
a level after the Titan Mauler gets the ability to use size category larger 2-handed weapons, Power attack lets you take just a -2 penalty to hit, in exchange for a static +6 damage...
hmmm.... so the choice is -6 to hit in exchange for between 0 an 6 bonus damage, or -2 to hit in exchange for +6 bonus damage.... let me think....
... yeah - this is a HORRIBLE ability.... But at least I figured out why a titan mauler might actually use it: They've traded away the reflex bonus Barbarians typically get on saves against traps!!!
:)
so the wielding of larger 2handed weapons is as a 2handed weapon. Thus you can't 2wf with them. so a medium person could wield a large greatsword. Then enlarge to make it huge, then lead blades to make it gargantuan I think.
Also officially wielding larger weapons don't give you increased range. So a medium person wielding a colossal greatsword would still only have 5ft reach.
One thing to note, as worded the barbs ability.
"She can use two-handed weapons meant for creatures one size category larger, but the penalty for doing so is increased by 4."
You can't use huge bastard swords.
A bastard sword is a 1handed with the feat, which becomes a 2handed for a medium if you wield a large one. You could do this before the barbs ability. The barb can't use a huge bastard sword since it's not a 2handed meant for large creature. So the only thing this new ability does is allow you to wield a large greatsword instead of a large bastard sword but you take an additional -4 to your attacks.
The reason the penalty is so steep is that the titan mauler gets to reduce it to a scaling degree, but it is a bit excessive.
Right, just clarifying it for you or others that using large bastard swords was already allowed. So you're not getting any advantage from the barbs new ability. And since this thread has been talking about the new ability people might think "large bastard" means "larger bastard"
Nope, Jotungrip only works with 2handed weapons meant for your size. So you could use it with medium bastard swords with no feat, or with medium greatswords. But a large bastard sword isn't meant for your size and thus isn't part of jotungrip.
At 2nd level, a titan mauler may choose to wield a two-handed melee weapon in one hand with a –2 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. The weapon must be appropriately sized for her, and it is treated as one-handed when determining the effect of Power Attack, Strength bonus to damage, and the like.
Titan mauler + thunder and fang = huge earthbreaker !
you can't get to huge.
One thing to note, as worded the barbs ability.
"She can use two-handed weapons meant for creatures one size category larger, but the penalty for doing so is increased by 4."
You can't use huge earthbreaker.
An earthbreaker is a 1handed with the feat, which becomes a 2handed for a medium if you wield a large one. You could do this before the barbs ability. The barb can't use a huge earthbreaker since it's not a 2handed meant for large creature. So the only thing this new ability does is allow you to wield a large greatsword instead of a large earthbreaker but you take an additional -4 to your attacks.
A huge earthbreaker isn't a "two-handed weapons meant for large creatures" It's an earthbreaker meant for huge creatures that with that feat or this class could be wielded two handed.
The MEANT is the biggest limiter of this class now. Jutungrip have to be MEANT for you size, and The Inappropriately Sized Weapons has to be MEANT for one size larger.
because it's a HUGE EARTHBREAKER and is meant for a HUGE creature. A Large creature could wield one as an inappropriately sized 2handed weapon. Just as a medium creature with the feat could wield a large earthbreaker 2handed as an inappropriately sized weapon. Emphasis on the inappropriately in those sentences.
Yeah but you can't normally, unless you have the feat. Once you have the feat, it is meant for you to use
No, once you have the feat you can wield it INAPPROPRIATELY and take the -2 to wield it. Thus it isn't meant for you because it's an INAPPROPRIATE weapon for you.
Normal, you can't wield a large earthbreaker at all.
with feat, since you can wield it one handed you can wield a large earthbreaker as an Inappropriately Sized Weapon taking a -2 to your attack rolls.
since it's an Inappropriately Sized Weapon it isn't a weapon meant for your size.
All these barb's features wont work if it's inappropriately sized.