teifling racial heritage ?


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so i need confirmation on this do tieflings still need to take fiendish heritage feat to change abilities around ?

Silver Crusade Contributor

Good news - they do not!

If you haven't got Blood of Fiends yet, I highly recommend it. It's pretty much a 100% improvement over the mechanics in The Bastards of Erebus.


ok thanks

Silver Crusade Contributor

Please note that as of Blood of Fiends, your heritage changes more than your ability scores.

The list here will show you the changes.


Not in my eyes. That feat is legacy, 3.5 material. Nothing in Blood of Fiends requires a feat to take an alternate heritage. In addition, the chart is gone.


so i can't have a str int tiefling ?


jonhl1986 wrote:
so i can't have a str int tiefling ?

Well.. more accurately, you can't have a STR/INT... pretty much anything. Those two stats are each other's "mutual exclusive." I don't recall even a single existent, legal for play under non-3.5 material, +STR/+INT race outside of clearly monstrous races.

Silver Crusade Contributor

jonhl1986 wrote:
so i can't have a str int tiefling ?

Sadly, no. There are no Str/Int tieflings (unless your GM allows the d% table and you get really lucky.)

The only Str/Int races at all are the lashunta (male gender) and the ru-shi dhampir. It's a seriously underused combination...


yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

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Robb Smith wrote:

Not in my eyes. That feat is legacy, 3.5 material. Nothing in Blood of Fiends requires a feat to take an alternate heritage. In addition, the chart is gone.

SUPER-pedantic correction. That feat comes from the first-ever Pathfinder Adventure Path supplement, The Bastards of Erebus.

That said, they were still disentangling themselves from 3.5 at the time, and it's an exceedingly common mistake. ^_^


jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

STR and INT are polar opposites. You will either need to rethink your concept or accept the fact you are likely not getting a racial bonus to one of the stats. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Silver Crusade Contributor

jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

Aren't warpriests Str/Wis? Oni-spawn tiefling is your friend. ^_^

(Unless whw is "white-haired witch", in which case, best of luck.)

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Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

STR and INT are polar opposites. You will either need to rethink your concept or accept the fact you are likely not getting a racial bonus to one of the stats. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

As I noted earlier, there are actually two races with Str/Int. They're just super-obscure. ^_^


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Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:

Not in my eyes. That feat is legacy, 3.5 material. Nothing in Blood of Fiends requires a feat to take an alternate heritage. In addition, the chart is gone.

SUPER-pedantic correction. That feat comes from the first-ever Pathfinder Adventure Path supplement, The Bastards of Erebus.

That said, they were still disentangling themselves from 3.5 at the time, and it's an exceedingly common mistake. ^_^

Yeah, I always forget that Bastards was ... "Super-technically Pathfinder."


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ok well thanks for the nice info and thankfully tieflings arent a feat tax anymore.


Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

STR and INT are polar opposites. You will either need to rethink your concept or accept the fact you are likely not getting a racial bonus to one of the stats. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

As I noted earlier, there are actually two races with Str/Int. They're just super-obscure. ^_^

While I agree that such technically exist, I regard reaching to Blood of the Night and Inner Sea Bestiary as legal sourcebooks for PC character creation... a little tenuous. My max level of comfort with that would be stating "They exist, but absolutely require DM permission."


Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
so i can't have a str int tiefling ?

Well.. more accurately, you can't have a STR/INT... pretty much anything. Those two stats are each other's "mutual exclusive." I don't recall even a single existent, legal for play under non-3.5 material, +STR/+INT race outside of clearly monstrous races.

The half were-crocodile does, if I remember right.

....but jsut saying that is silly. I know there are other names like...skinwalker... but it is a half were-crocodile. Lets not dress it up.

So...if that isn't entirely 'monstrous'...then yeah.

Oh, and I think there is a dhampir bloodline that has that. The one based off of nosferatu. So it ends up as Str/Int/-Con. And you end up looking like Voldemort basically, going off of some of the images I've seen attatched to this bloodline. So...yeah...

So yeah, the variant bloodlines of a couple of very rarely used half breed races, and the blood lines are for descent from the races that make you ask "what is this?".

Silver Crusade Contributor

Robb Smith wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

STR and INT are polar opposites. You will either need to rethink your concept or accept the fact you are likely not getting a racial bonus to one of the stats. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

As I noted earlier, there are actually two races with Str/Int. They're just super-obscure. ^_^
While I agree that such technically exist, I regard reaching to Blood of the Night and Inner Sea Bestiary as legal sourcebooks for PC character creation... a little tenuous. My max level of comfort with that would be stating "They exist, but absolutely require DM permission."

Lashunta are now in People of the Stars as well. At least that's an actual players' book. And shouldn't tieflings require just as much GM permission as dhampir? ^_^

Silver Crusade Contributor

lemeres wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
so i can't have a str int tiefling ?

Well.. more accurately, you can't have a STR/INT... pretty much anything. Those two stats are each other's "mutual exclusive." I don't recall even a single existent, legal for play under non-3.5 material, +STR/+INT race outside of clearly monstrous races.

The half were-crocodile does, if I remember right.

....but jsut saying that is silly. I know there are other names like...skinwalker... but it is a half were-crocodile. Lets not dress it up.

So...if that isn't entirely 'monstrous'...then yeah.

Oh, and I think there is a dhampir bloodline that has that. The one based off of nosferatu. So it ends up as Str/Int/-Con. And you end up looking like Voldemort basically, going off of some of the images I've seen attatched to this bloodline. So...yeah...

So yeah, the variant bloodlines of a couple of very rarely used half breed races, and the blood lines are for descent from the races that make you ask "what is this?".

Jiang-shi bloodline, which is even more obscure. So not only are you dhampir, but you probably came from Tian Xia...


Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

STR and INT are polar opposites. You will either need to rethink your concept or accept the fact you are likely not getting a racial bonus to one of the stats. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

As I noted earlier, there are actually two races with Str/Int. They're just super-obscure. ^_^
While I agree that such technically exist, I regard reaching to Blood of the Night and Inner Sea Bestiary as legal sourcebooks for PC character creation... a little tenuous. My max level of comfort with that would be stating "They exist, but absolutely require DM permission."
Lashunta are now in People of the Stars as well. At least that's an actual players' book. And shouldn't tieflings require just as much GM permission as dhampir? ^_^

We generally regard "core" and "featured" races (and equivalent options) from ARG as "fine, no permission required", and variant heritages for any of them as "DM permision required." YMMV.


one more thing while im here if you guys know i might actually change to lizard folk and wondering if you can use a bite attack and a hair attack in the same turn.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Robb Smith wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Robb Smith wrote:
jonhl1986 wrote:
yeah and i need str+int since im building a warpriest whw natural attacker

STR and INT are polar opposites. You will either need to rethink your concept or accept the fact you are likely not getting a racial bonus to one of the stats. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

As I noted earlier, there are actually two races with Str/Int. They're just super-obscure. ^_^
While I agree that such technically exist, I regard reaching to Blood of the Night and Inner Sea Bestiary as legal sourcebooks for PC character creation... a little tenuous. My max level of comfort with that would be stating "They exist, but absolutely require DM permission."
Lashunta are now in People of the Stars as well. At least that's an actual players' book. And shouldn't tieflings require just as much GM permission as dhampir? ^_^

We generally regard "core" and "featured" races (and equivalent options) from ARG as "fine, no permission required", and variant heritages for any of them as "DM permision required." YMMV.

Totally legitimate.

In my recent campaigns, I have to give permission for just about any concept (though I usually grant it).

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