Net deals Str mod damage?


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I'm not absolutely sure if I'm correct, but here's my argument for why it does, and why it doesn't.

Why doesn't deal damage: the damage category has no dice to roll. It might be that Str mod damage is only added to 'damage rolls' but that doesn't make much sense because weapons with 1d2 damage become - damage when they are tiny-sized.

Why it does deal Str mod damage wrote:
Daggers, darts, javelins, throwing axes, light hammers, and nets are examples of thrown weapons. The wielder applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown weapons (except for splash weapons).

So which is correct? I'm making a net-wielder for a PFS core game, and this will inform his class choice.


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No. "The wielder applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown weapons." Looking at the weapon chart, nets deal no damage to begin with, so there's nothing to apply your strength mod to.


I'd say, since it's listed as doing no damage, STR mod doesn't apply, nor would Dex-to-damage stuff. It's an example of a thrown weapon, but if the base weapon doesn't damage ...

(And would you like to bear the shame of being slain by a damn net?)

The nets and the lasso are the only weapons that seem to be called out for 0 damage on the table, while the poisoned sand tube is more of an area effect that doesn't itself do normal hit point damage. Looks like the intent was to be entirely 'harmless'. Of course, being stuck in a net next to a raging berserker and her favourite earthbreaker hammer doesn't kill you as such ...

Scarab Sages

A net does no damage, so there is nothing to add your STR modifier to.

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Does that mean that a Fine sized Slam doesn't add STR to damage either?

Scarab Sages

Covert Operator wrote:
Does that mean that a Fine sized Slam doesn't add STR to damage either?

Can you give an example of a fine sized creature with a positive STR modifier?


Covert Operator wrote:
Does that mean that a Fine sized Slam doesn't add STR to damage either?

That chart doesn't indicate that the slam attack of a Fine-sized creature does no damage. It indicates that creatures of Fine size do not have slam attacks.

Nets do no damage. They're not designed to damage. They're designed to entangle, as indicated in their entry in the Core Rulebook.

Grand Lodge

Ah, but what about a Flaming Net?

Scarab Sages

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A flaming net does 1d6 fire damage on a successful hit. It still does no physical damage.

A better question is what about a snag net?

Grand Lodge

Indeed.

Nets and Snag Nets are good for the Conductive quality.


Imbicatus wrote:

A flaming net does 1d6 fire damage on a successful hit. It still does no physical damage.

A better question is what about a snag net?

The snag net only damages when you do a trip manoeuvre on an entangled foe and decide you don't want to actually trip the guy. So you do 1 piercing and all the other gladiators laugh at you. Since it's not calling out STR mod here (and it's being done via the trip manoeuvre), I'd say no here too, although I can see this open to interpretation.

Grand Lodge

I wonder if Hamatula Strike would work with a Snag Net.

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blackbloodtroll wrote:
I wonder if Hamatula Strike would work with a Snag Net.

LOL that is a fun combo! Entangled, Grappled, Prone; They'll never escape!

Do you have any more advice for a net-wielder?

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Imbicatus wrote:
Covert Operator wrote:
Does that mean that a Fine sized Slam doesn't add STR to damage either?
Can you give an example of a fine sized creature with a positive STR modifier?

Get the Improved Familiar Silvanshee Agathion. Take a class ability so that you can Reduce Person on outsiders.

3 base strength
-2 Reduce Person
+4 Bull's Strength
+8 Heroic Strength (Su)

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Covert Operator wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Covert Operator wrote:
Does that mean that a Fine sized Slam doesn't add STR to damage either?
Can you give an example of a fine sized creature with a positive STR modifier?

Get the Improved Familiar Silvanshee Agathion. Take a class ability so that you can Reduce Person on outsiders.

3 base strength
-2 Reduce Person
+4 Bull's Strength
+8 Heroic Strength (Su)

If you're gonna use buffs: Any Fine size creature with a strength score (1 or more) + Arcanist [Brown Fur Transmuter] 20 => 15 strength via Form of the Dragon III. Add bull's strength for 19 and a lvl 16+ skald for 25.

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StabbittyDoom wrote:
Covert Operator wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Covert Operator wrote:
Does that mean that a Fine sized Slam doesn't add STR to damage either?
Can you give an example of a fine sized creature with a positive STR modifier?

Get the Improved Familiar Silvanshee Agathion. Take a class ability so that you can Reduce Person on outsiders.

3 base strength
-2 Reduce Person
+4 Bull's Strength
+8 Heroic Strength (Su)
If you're gonna use buffs: Any Fine size creature with a strength score (1 or more) + Arcanist [Brown Fur Transmuter] 20 => 15 strength via Form of the Dragon III. Add bull's strength for 19 and a lvl 16+ skald for 25.

It should remain Fine-sized...

But anyway this isn't worth discussing; It has nothing to do with OP


Did we ever get an answer as to whether or not nets and lassos were granted a damage die by being a warpriest's sacred weapon? Anything worth doing is worth over doing, right?

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That's an interesting idea!

And I think yes, but it's easy to go the other way, because you could say that the net doesn't have 'weapon damage'.

Sacred Weapon wrote:
Whenever the warpriest hits with his sacred weapon, the weapon damage is based on his level and not the weapon type.


I agree, for me it could easily go either way. If a player wanted to do it i'd let it go and accept the consequences, but I wouldn't be surprised if another DM ruled the other way.

I think the main support for "no" would come from whether or not it impacted the damage from a snag net or just hitting people with the net and what type of damage it caused. There's enough other things with no clear answer that it could be easier to just say no.


The only sane way to rule is that "-" means no damage, there is nothing to add to, and there is nothing to replace. I don't know if that's correct, though. A Net Warpriest could be hilarious, and nothing in Sacred Weapons conflicts with the concept.


The CRB still states that all weapons do HP damage, the Net is listed as a weapon, and it doesn't say that it doesn't do damage.

So, a Warpriest could take Quickdraw at first level and throw nets at 10' range for 1d6+Str+Entangle against Touch AC, and at level 3 he takes Net Adept and becomes a Touch AC reach weapon terror.

Scarab Sages

I would say the line "This increase in damage does not affect any other aspect of the weapon, and doesn’t apply to alchemical items, bombs, or other weapons that only deal energy damage." would be intended to apply to nets as well, as they don't deal any physical damage either.

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