| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
So with the Convergence story over DC has fully restored it's pre-Crisis multiverse and then some.
I'll be honest with you, I am more interested in these new Multiverse worlds than I am in their new 52 world.
For one, while we didn't get to see what happened, the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths is now different, Instead of collapsing into a single new Earth, the Multiverse was saved because of the addition of a married Superman and Paralax-Hal Jordan.
I kind of want to see that. How did the story change and how did that world move forward from there.
We have an Earth 5 out there where Captain Marvel (Shazam) is actually done right instead of as the man-child version DC seems to have been obessing over for years.
Better beleive I want to see that.
I'm glad to see Earth 2 is going to continue so I'll be buying that but...
I'm not really interested in Jim Gordon as mecha-Batman or no-power Superman on a motorcycle.
but give me a book where Superman and Lois are raising their son and Hal Jordan has to look at a dark future reflection of himself or a world with a well written Captain Marvel and I'd be willing to give you more of my money
I don't even know what their last few attempts with the Legion have been about, just weird depressing stuff.
I think they might even have given up on them and are doing this Future Justice League thing where all the original Leaguers have been recreated as extra strength A$@holes. Gave it 3 issues and just could not get into it
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
Legions back.
That's all I care about.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Greylurker and Freehold, I am standing beside you in spirit, offering you both delicious sandwiches of your favorite construction, giving solid thumbs up.
Because man, I am so tired of not having a decent Legion book. And a well written Captain Marvel (and his FAMILY). And heroes that are heroes because it's the right thing to do, rather than heroes who are all clones of Batman.
Please give me back my larger than life do-gooders. I promise to take good care of them.
The real kicker is that DC is claiming this change now gives them to freedom to tell any kind of stories people want so they do have the openings to do Earth 5 Captain Marvel or return to the classic Legion.
Instead we are getting pretty much more of the same plus Bat-mite and Bizzaro
Yeah their "freeeeeedom!" cry appears to just mean "gooooofy!"
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
They're claiming they've had the World's End/Future's End/Convergence/Divergence plan since they positioned Flashpoint to bring in the New 52.
I am dubious about this.
Then again, I've never liked the idea of Flashpoint/New 52 since the beginning. I mean, DC had just done a soft-reboot by way of Identity Crisis/Countdown/Final Crisis, which I always felt was a really good way of handling a lot of their loose continuity threads and bringing new and old characters together. The Max Lord/Ted Kord storyline, especially, was really poignant.
And then all that hard, emotionally charged, world-changing stuff got brushed under a rug and we got... this.
No sir, I did not like it.
I'm glad the new writer is on Superman, because I'd stopped picking the book up. They weren't writing Superman. They were writing someone who looked like him, but the spirit wasn't there.
And LOSH? LOSH is a niche book. It's never going to have huge sales, and that should be understood. You don't write LOSH for big numbers, you write it for loyal fans.
Opinions. I have them.
It's possible they did. I had the feeling at the start that the whole New 52 thing was temporary. Mind you, I didn't think it would last as long as it has, so that's not really showing great insight on my part.
It could well have been a contingency plan - Stick with New 52 or reboot in this direction depending on how things are going.
Well, they're on the record as saying that the character of Pandora was always supposed to be an "escape hatch," which they then denied saying at all... for values of "they" equaling Johns, Didio, and Lee, that is.
So it's possible they had an escape route for "if this doesn't work out." Convergence could be that. But I'd rather we go back to post Final Crisis... only without the "Batman is the center of everything in the DCU" focus we got out of the search for Bruce Wayne.
Batman is cool, but he doesn't need to be the center of the omniverse.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Greylurker and Freehold, I am standing beside you in spirit, offering you both delicious sandwiches of your favorite construction, giving solid thumbs up.
Because man, I am so tired of not having a decent Legion book. And a well written Captain Marvel (and his FAMILY). And heroes that are heroes because it's the right thing to do, rather than heroes who are all clones of Batman.
Please give me back my larger than life do-gooders. I promise to take good care of them.
I like Legion in all its incarnations. I found the weird youth oriented one interesting and was lambasted for that in some circles. I was more proud of the author for intentionally going in a different direction with the material and the cast. Even if this Legion incarnation sucks, I'll still give it a chance.
Lawful stupid is just as bad as awful good.
Greylurker and Freehold, I am standing beside you in spirit, offering you both delicious sandwiches of your favorite construction, giving solid thumbs up.
Because man, I am so tired of not having a decent Legion book. And a well written Captain Marvel (and his FAMILY). And heroes that are heroes because it's the right thing to do, rather than heroes who are all clones of Batman.
Please give me back my larger than life do-gooders. I promise to take good care of them.
I like Legion in all its incarnations. I found the weird youth oriented one interesting and was lambasted for that in some circles. I was more proud of the author for intentionally going in a different direction with the material and the cast. Even if this Legion incarnation sucks, I'll still give it a chance.
Lawful stupid is just as bad as awful good.
Man, I loved Earth Prime Legion. The idea that they were inspired by the same comic books that Superboy Prime learned to hate, the fact that they were proof that these things could happen, and be good and true to the spirit of the Legion and those "time lost" heroic adventures. Those were great.
And the way they handled Supergirl's arc was awesome.
Hi five, man. :)
Legions back.
That's all I care about. [/QUOTE
Got that right!
Now I haven't read all of the non-Legion Convergence titles so regretfully I'm not all that aware of what happened with the overall plot arc.
So we have the original Legion back correct?
What happened to the Reboot?
What happened to the next Reboot after that?
Do any of the reboot Legions still exist?
What universe is the original Legion called these days?
What happened to the Crisis....did Supergirl ever die?
What about all the new 52 titles out there? I know when they started the new 52 up they changed characters and origins....such as Supergirl. So what happens to that? What's her origin?
Is the original Legion in the same universe as the new 52 comics?
It's all so confusing.
Now I haven't read all of the non-Legion Convergence titles so regretfully I'm not all that aware of what happened with the overall plot arc.
So we have the original Legion back correct?
What happened to the Reboot?
What happened to the next Reboot after that?
Do any of the reboot Legions still exist?
What universe is the original Legion called these days?
What happened to the Crisis....did Supergirl ever die?
What about all the new 52 titles out there? I know when they started the new 52 up they changed characters and origins....such as Supergirl. So what happens to that? What's her origin?
Is the original Legion in the same universe as the new 52 comics?
It's all so confusing.
It doesn't help that they don't even try to answer any of the questions.
"You must go and prevent the original crisis to reset the multiverse"
next page
"They did it"
we don't even get a splash page of them stopping the Crisis, just "Taadaa everything is fixed"
It's the laziest conclusion to an Event story I have ever seen
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Did it strike anyone else odd that everyone just stands around in this issue?
It really did.
You have 52 Superman siting there asking "how do we save everyone?"
You're SUPERMAN, you don't ask that question! You figure out the answer and you do it because you're bloody SUPERMAN
Did it strike anyone else odd that everyone just stands around in this issue?It really did.
You have 52 Superman siting there asking "how do we save everyone?"
You're SUPERMAN, you don't ask that question! You figure out the answer and you do it because you're bloody SUPERMAN
Contrast that to the original Crisis where the powers-that-be picked eight heroes from across the multiverse to save everyone, and three of them were derivatives of Superman. Batman barely appeared in the whole Crisis. My how times have changed in thirty years.
Well to be fair the plan right now seems to be that Batman will become an actual New God in the next year or so.
I've never seen so many sharks so easily jumped.
Contrast that to the original Crisis where the powers-that-be picked eight heroes from across the multiverse to save everyone, and three of them were derivatives of Superman. Batman barely appeared in the whole Crisis. My how times have changed in thirty years.Did it strike anyone else odd that everyone just stands around in this issue?It really did.
You have 52 Superman siting there asking "how do we save everyone?"
You're SUPERMAN, you don't ask that question! You figure out the answer and you do it because you're bloody SUPERMAN
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how Batman suddenly became so... mega.
He just wasn't that big a deal even as long ago as the 80's. Or the Joker even to be honest.
As a guess I'd link his increased popularity to the Batman cartoon of the early to mid 90's, which continued more or less in different forms through the end of the JLU cartoon.
I think it is generally considered to be one of the best, if not the best, cartoon series about a comic book character ever.
My take anyway. But I go back a long way with comics, and Batman just wasn't all that in the old days. Certainly not the key character in so mnay series, and he had nowhere near as many guest appearances in other books.
Like in the 80's, he was usually in Detective, Batman, Batman Family, Brave and the Bold, and most of the time he was a Justice League member.
Seems like a lot, but you saw Superman a lot more.
Blame "The Dark Knight Returns." Batman was popular, but that series shot him over the top. Add in the 1989 movie (not as bad as people make it out to be) and the 90s cartoons (and continued movies) and you get a lot more exposure and fandom for Batman.
|
Did it strike anyone else odd that everyone just stands around in this issue?It really did.
You have 52 Superman siting there asking "how do we save everyone?"
You're SUPERMAN, you don't ask that question! You figure out the answer and you do it because you're bloody SUPERMAN
To be fair, while powerful, New 52 Superman is not as powerful as pre- or post-Crisis Superman (Silver and Bronze Age). I don't think he is even as powerful as Golden Age Superman (as he was portrayed during the late Silver Age just before Crisis).
Also, there was nothing he could do for the people on Telos. The planet was out of phase. He could not touch it until it had merged into his reality, and in the instant he could act it would have already have been too late.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
well....looks like I am getting something good out of Convergence
Superman: Lois and Clark; Pre-52 married Superman and Lois have been living secretly on 52Earth for years raising their son Jon
I wonder if Marvel will follow suite and give us a Married Peter and MJ book with little red headed Spider-girl for their post-secret wars world.
I stopped following most of Marvel with the New 52 release.
Is the status of Supes now back with Lois (instead of being some single joe dating WW?).
Is batman still with the sparrow (or whatever her name was) or does he now have a Robin? Who is Robin?
Or is Dick now back to being Bats (I sort of followed Batman after 52...a tiny bit...but making Gordon Bats means I'm out...that was a ridiculous choice as any to me).
I stopped following most of Marvel with the New 52 release.
Is the status of Supes now back with Lois (instead of being some single joe dating WW?).
Is batman still with the sparrow (or whatever her name was) or does he now have a Robin? Who is Robin?
Or is Dick now back to being Bats (I sort of followed Batman after 52...a tiny bit...but making Gordon Bats means I'm out...that was a ridiculous choice as any to me).
Superman is currently down to golden age power levels and Lois outed his secret ID so the world knows he is Clark Kent
Something happened to Bruce Wyane, don't know what, So Commisioner Gordon is currently Batman using a mechanized Batsuit. Bruce has reappeared but apparently everything about his life as Batman has been erased from his mind. He currently runs a youth center for troubled kids.
Neither of these situations applies to the Justice League comic where Superman is still at full power, Batman just became a new God after stealing Metron's chair and Lex Luthor is a member of the JLA.
Dick got outed to the world by the Crime Syndicate, so he has stopped being Nightwing and is now Dick Grayson, secret agent.
How elseworldsy. Kinda cool but I do not like it as canon.
I am enjoying we are robin.
RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16
|
I haven't been following DC.
But the essence of Commissioner Gordon is his sworn duty to the law. It's what's kept him from killing the Joker. It's his tether to society, and why his friendship is ESSENTIAL to the Batman. He tag-teams with Alfred to keep Bruce on this side of the Good Guy line.
Commissioner Gordon's decision to take the law into his own hands as a vigilante destroys the heart of the character. He no longer makes sense, and he is no longer a viable element of the Batman supporting cast.
If he was running around willy nilly killing people, you might have a point. Right now he's just covering for his amnesiac friend. Remember, tolerating a vigilante is breaking the law too.
I don't think Gordon is going all gun's blazing punisher vigilante (not reading the book so can't be certain). From what I understand he is employed by a corporation who thinks the city needs a Batman (and that they can get good pr by sponsoring it) and Gordon himself took the job when offered in part because he doesn't trust anyone else with it and in part because he can actively work with the police as Batman.
And somehow, he's de-aged by about 20 years, in doing it.
I don't think that's been explained any more than Barbara Gordon's suddenly losing 7 or so years off of her age, either.
everyone in DC 52 is like 25 years old. Seems like a universal standard
New52 may have reset all the ages, but for Batgirl, I am talking about how between issues 34 and 35, Barbara lost 7 years of her age.
In the Gail Simone run, Barbara was 28 years old and she was a grad student. Simone's run ended at issue 34.
In issue 35, they chopped 7 years off of her age, made her a freshman, destroyed her relationship with Black Canary, and all but erased her previous transgender roommate. They also turned her photographic memory into a strange sort of sensory-savant behavior, rather than the perfect, total recall it had always been portrayed as.
They've brought her old roommate back in recent issues, but I suspect that has more to do with fan outcry than purposeful inclusion on the part of the writers.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
they are calling it "loose Continuety"
I call it messy storytelling
|
|
I've been cutting back on my DC for the last few years. First I dropped all the Bat books, then Flash and any Justice Leagues, finally all the Green Lantern books.
I did start picking up the new Doctor Fate (ok so far) and Omega Men (freaky, but cool), both of which I doubt will last long.
I also picked up the first issue of Martian Manhunter, but couldn't bring myself to even finish reading it. I'm actually hoping that one fails quickly.
Picked up the first two issues of the new Batman Beyond, as well, but also stopped that one when I realized how completely they've f+@@ed it up.
I was already collecting and enjoying Justice League 3000, so continued with the 3001 version.
See? Insanity is already setting in.