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Hi, Pathfinder RPG rules team and forumites.
You may know me. I'm a secret wizard.
I may not be a huge proponent of Weapon Finesse builds, but I am here to ask for the reversal of a particularly unintuitive piece of FAQ:
Posted on May 15, 2015, Unchained FAQ
With a two-handed weapon, you add 1-1/2 times your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls, and with an off-hand weapon, you add half your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls. As per the ability's text, if an effect would prevent you from adding your Strength modifier on damage rolls, you don't add your Dexterity modifier .However, any other effects that would increase the multiplier to your Strength bonus on damage rolls (such as the two-handed fighter archetype's overhand chop) do not affect your Dexterity bonus on damage rolls.
The part that concerns me is the bolded part.
I find that it's interaction with certain feats or talents is rather unintuitive.
Namely, the Double Slice feat:
Double Slice (Combat)
Your off-hand weapon while dual-wielding strikes with greater power.
Prerequisite: Dex 15, Two-Weapon Fighting.
Benefit: Add your Strength bonus to damage rolls made with your off-hand weapon.
Normal: You normally add only half of your Strength modifier to damage rolls made with a weapon wielded in your off-hand.
Is it intended that the Rogue remains unable to fully apply damage while using two weapons?
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Get thee aboard the elven branched spear boat!
Double slice sounds like it should work though. It wouldn't be a reversal but if you want to faq the faq I'd be for that.
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Why would the rules team know you if you're a Secret Wizard?
The feat itself implies that it is putting more strength into a blow, which dexterity to damage is not utilizing. It is quite intuitive.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Not sold.
Nothing stops you from using Power Attack in conjunction with Finesse Training. The aforementioned Elven Branched Spear builds might do so. Power Attack expressly implies putting more strength in your attacks, but it even works while using Finesse Training.
Worst case scenario, they could release a feat in Heroes of the Streets or Ultimate Intrigue allowing this. The idea is that they wanted Rogues to be viable at TWF but just closed down a very big source of damage to be viable.
Why would the rules team know you if you're a Secret Wizard?
Or so they think.
Though this is not an official ruling, I'm abusing the fact that Mark is sitting right next to me, and he says that the linked FAQ doesn't allow Double Slice to work for the rogue.
linky on the quote's name
Yep, I know, that's why I'm asking for a reversal and not a clarification.
Yep, I know, that's why I'm asking for a reversal and not a clarification.
yes but everyone else in the thread seemed it was open to debate on whether it was needed.
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The feat itself implies that it is putting more strength into a blow, which dexterity to damage is not utilizing. It is quite intuitive.Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Not sold.
Nothing stops you from using Power Attack in conjunction with Finesse Training. The aforementioned Elven Branched Spear builds might do so. Power Attack expressly implies putting more strength in your attacks, but it even works while using Finesse Training.
With Power attack you are trading accuracy for damage. How you do that is not part of the RAW of the feat.
Double Slice explicitly say that the bonus from strength increase, so there is a RAW limitation.