Making a Mount Character [PFS]


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Not a character who uses a mount, but a character that IS a mount.

It's come to my attention that small-sized characters are great mounter chargers because medium sized creatures are more maneuverable in dungeons. Makes sense, but the only issue then is that now that poor halfing or gnome needs to spend cash and feats on making his ride workable. So I've come to an idea: What if I make a character to serve as the mount? Would that be possible? What feats do I need, what class should I be? What race is best? Is this even legal?

I'm quite aware that doing this might gimp my character personally, since I'm sure there are certain feats and stuff that really only work for mounted combat. I'm trying to coordinate this with another player and their character, so if possible I'd also like suggestions for a character who's mount is also another character.

Much obliged for any help!

Grand Lodge

I have never regretted spending feats and cash to make my build work. That's wtf the cash and feats are for.

If you want to be a mount you need someone to ride you. Your feats will matter little but you still need the rider to take the same feats you disagree with to be good while riding you.

But a druid with wildshape can be some ones mount. Then you need a good class to ride you. The rider should look at cavilier, paladin, or ranger. A paladin with divine bond weapon and a mount that can shift into different animals would be doing quiet well for himself.


Ok, here is what you do:
Play a druid with a tiger animal companion and have your friend be a small race synthesist summoner with eldritch heritage (arcane) and improved familiar. At lvl 7 the familiar is riding the synthesist who is riding you who is riding the large tiger.
Everyone takes mounted combat.
?????
Profit!


This is for PFS, Synthesist is banned.

Grand Lodge

The problem is anyone who's going to dedicate his character to mounted combat... is going to have their own mount.

Liberty's Edge

Except dragoons or soheis. If you're always going to be playing with your counterpart, one of those classes could benefit from a druid mount. Especially a sohei who takes mounted skirmisher as a bonus feat. You take a form with pounce and at level 6+ you both should be able to full attack almost every round. Plus the sohei can give you a ton of abilities (evasion, AC bonus, ki strike etc.). Now this being PFS, I'd say expect table variation on whether this works, not because anything says it doesn't, but because this is a great combination and GMs probably won't like it.


LazarX wrote:
The problem is anyone who's going to dedicate his character to mounted combat... is going to have their own mount.

True, but also why I'm coordinating this character with a friend. And even with that in mind, a small-sized mount is a medium sized creature, and without it's rider it's essentially an animal companion. So he can help fight, just not with someone riding on it.

Deighton Thrane wrote:
Except dragoons or soheis. If you're always going to be playing with your counterpart, one of those classes could benefit from a druid mount. Especially a sohei who takes mounted skirmisher as a bonus feat. You take a form with pounce and at level 6+ you both should be able to full attack almost every round. Plus the sohei can give you a ton of abilities (evasion, AC bonus, ki strike etc.). Now this being PFS, I'd say expect table variation on whether this works, not because anything says it doesn't, but because this is a great combination and GMs probably won't like it.

Wild Shape is interesting, but that requires about 4 levels before it becomes possible, and I'm hoping to still be able to do this combo while still in humanoid form.

Also, could the rider use their ride checks for the mount if the mount get's attacked? More so if that mount is my character.

Second Seekers (Roheas)

Youd need to be strong enough and fast enough to make It worthwhile.

So I'm thinking like a Monk is probably the best choice with a Barbarian coming in at a close second.

Definitely take Fleet and plan to buy a flying carpet and boots of springing and striding when you can.

For race, Nagaji works because of their snake like appearance and history in Golarion as slaves. As a bonus they get natural attacks iirc which you'll need.

Also your friend should look into the Castellan archetype for Cavalier since they get higher ground bonuses that would be great for being horseback but they have to give up the mount to get them.


The issue with making a humanoid mount character is that the rules for what you can and cannot ride are not very clear. Usually 3.5 and pathfinder leave which animals are useful as mounts up to the DM and since this is PFS we want to try and reduce DM fiat as much as possible. The only rules in any 3.5 derived system is dragon magazine 304. That being said, if you had to be a core race I'd make the argument for dwarf due to the slow and steady trait. You won't be as fast as most medium creatures, but it will be easier to convince any DM's to let you be a mount since having a rider can't encumber you.

As for the mount character, you need a high str to carry someone, but due to mounted combat you can have a lower ac. If you insist on being a humanoid that screams monk to me (you don't have to focus on dex so you won't be as MAD and you can make good use of the dwarf WIS+Con). Bonuses are fast movement and attacking without using your arms (in case the DM rules you have to use your hands to piggy back ride them). The other route you can go is synergistic with your rider. Characters that get bonus feats for picking up teamwork feats can do really well together. And as eddv mentioned, barbarian is another good choice (unless DM rules your hands are busy giving them a ride :-/ )

For your rider, might I recommend barbarian again? Ferocious mount and a couple other rage powers can boost both of you very well and most of the archtypes that boost mounts don't really give decent mounts (like burn rider). I would say pack rager but raging tactician comes a little too late in a PFS career. One avenue this opens up is an overrun build if your partner takes ferocious trample.

Otherwise, Rough Rider or dragoon are excellent options.

Grand Lodge

The thing is the mount rules are designed with the idea that the mount is not a sentient creature with a mind and class abilities on it's own. The reason that riders can protect their mounts with ride checks is that the mount will DO what the rider directs it through without the baggage of thinking about it.

Rules don't cover a combo of this nature, expect lots of GM variation.

Grand Lodge

You mean like John Smith, and his totally awesome Horse?

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