So I'm making a Dex based character and was wondering if agile maneuvers is worth it since I'm wanting to use a number of them, but trip and disarm are already covered by weapon finesse. Grappling would be difficult as the grappled condition makes you lose dex, however I'm curious about dirty trick since I'm going for a mainly debuff guy.
I'm sure your local succubus appreciates agile grappling...
If you are using a piercing weapon you can use hamatula strike feat and just use weapon finesse for grappling.
As for dirty trick I will direct you to two of my previous threads:
Using dirty trick with a weapon
In conclusion agile maneuvers is pretty pointless as the rules are because if you use a weapon you also get to add any enhancement bonuses from your weapon to cmb. This makes agile maneuver just not as effective as weapon finesse for DEX based maneuver people.
Hope that helps!
So I'm making a Dex based character and was wondering if agile maneuvers is worth it since I'm wanting to use a number of them, but trip and disarm are already covered by weapon finesse. Grappling would be difficult as the grappled condition makes you lose dex, however I'm curious about dirty trick since I'm going for a mainly debuff guy.
As long as you incorporate your weapon in some manner with the Dirty Trick, you can use your Dexterity instead of your Strength as part of the check. You also add your weapon's Enhancement Bonus to the check as well.
Ironically enough, even if you did something like grab a handful of sand, and throw it in their eyes, you'd still be using your Unarmed Strike to perform the maneuver, and that's a Light Weapon. So Finnesse is possible there too, but unless you have an Amulet of Mighty Fists, no Enhancement Bonus will apply there.
Of course, since you are planning on Dirty Tricks, and not any other maneuver that requires a Standard Action instead of subbing out an attack, Agile Maneuvers is useless for you.