So now that precise strike is off the table for the magus...


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What arcanas should I take for the eldritch scion at early levels? Spell combat having a monopoly on arcane points and swift actions means a lot of options are a lot worse than they used to be, and I can't figure out what i would like to take that is for 6th level or below.


Johnny_Devo wrote:
What arcanas should I take for the eldritch scion at early levels? Spell combat having a monopoly on arcane points and swift actions means a lot of options are a lot worse than they used to be, and I can't figure out what i would like to take that is for 6th level or below.

None. Trap question. Eldritch Scion is a hate crime against Magus players, and should not actually be played.

(Less flippantly, Wand Wielder. Familiar. Maneuver Mastery.)


Why would precise strike be off the table? The errata doesn't change precise strike at all.


Quote:

—In the Arcane Deed magus arcana, after the

second sentence, add the following sentence: “Even if he
gains a panache pool through another means, the magus
is not considered to have at least 1 point in his panache
pool for the purpose of deeds selected with arcane deed,
and his effective swashbuckler level for determining
such a deed’s effect is 0.”

This is pretty much a double targeted nerf, and it even goes off and kills other arcana as well.

But basically, you can't use precise strike for two reasons. 1, you're never considered to have at least one panache point, and 2, you'll be dealing 0 extra damage because you don't have a swashbuckler level. An important note is that you can still make a retaliation strike with opportune parry and riposte because they didn't change flamboyant arcana at all.


You're not considered to have 1 panache point from the panache pool you acquire through other means, for the purposes of your arcane deed.


It doesn't say that, though.

If I were to just rearrange the same sentence, it would read:

"The magus is not considered to have at least one point in his panache pool for the purpose of deeds selected with the arcane deed, even if he gains a panache pool through other means."

So it currently means that any deed gained through an arcane deed arcana is never going to have its "if the user has at least one panache point" requirement fulfilled.

Later, from the original text, arcane deed reads:

"The magus can use that deed by using points from his arcane pool as the panache points required for that deed."

This also doesn't allow it. It doesn't say that your arcane points are as panache points for the purposes of the deeds, it just says that you can use points from the arcane pool when you would need to spend panache.


You may be right, that would be pretty crappy.

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Personally, I'm going with Wand Wielder, and picking up a wand of vanish.


If this turns out to be the way it works, I expect every single magus in existence who's taken flamboyant arcana to retrain it for something else. None of the remaining functional deeds are worth anything whatsoever, and even opportune parry and riposte aren't worth spending arcane pool points for if you have spell recall available. I suppose they're OK for a Kensai. There's gotta be some kinda middle ground between "Overpowered" and "Utterly worthless trash".


Its unfortunate that that change was made to Precise Strike. I was going to make an Unarmed Hexcrafter with a single dip into Unarmed Fighter to pick up Boar Style and Precise strike things when not Hexing them.


The Magus was never intended to have Precise Strike, and it absolutely did not need it. Clarifying that the Magus has an effective Swashbuckler level of 0 would have been enough, though. No idea why they decided to make the entirety of Flamboyant Arcana useless.


they decided that only the swash gets to be a swash now so yes, the magus has 5 deeds that it can use, deeds that don't need you to have 1 left or is based off of level. Johnny is right by showing the sentance rearrange.

and Baha, even if you had the 1 point, your swash level is 0 so precise adds 0 damage.


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Yeah, it's starting to look that way to me too. Flamboyant Arcana is now utterly useless.

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