Feint

[Alric Rahl]

Hi I have a question about activating Feint. I know that it says "the target loses his Dex bonus to AC (If Any) for your next attack, you must make this attack on or before your next turn"

Could this be interpreted to allow any attack on him not include his dex bonus to AC.

To clarify, because Feint is a standard action (Unless you take Improved feint) could I feint and then an ally makes the next attack on him, and he loses his Dex to that attack.

Because the rule then states on or before your next turn could this be interpreted to allow an ally to make the next attack or no?

[Maggus]

Normal Feint says your attack and means your attack.

Have a look at improved feint and greater feint feats, there you will find what you seek.

[Claxon]

Definitely not with a regular feint. Which is why improved feint is basically required to make it a move action instead of a standard, so you can make an attack and benefit.

If you want feint to remove the target's dex to AC when attacked by people besides you, you would need something else. Possibly Greater Feint. Although you should know it's still being actively discussed whether Greater Feint inherits the normal limitation of feint that the target only loses it's Dex bonus to AC against you or whether it gets to be applied for others.

The topic has a lot of FAQ requests, but no resolution at this time.

[Gwen Smith]

You could also look at Feint Partner: it does exactly what you want, but it's a teamwork feat. A class that passes out teamwork feats (Cavalier, etc.) can do pretty well with Feint Partner.

There's also Two-Weapon Feint, if you're a two-weapon fighter.

[Jacob Saltband]

"you must make this attack on or before your next turn"

It says right here that you can benefit from your feint against you opponent on your next turn, so after feinting with a standard action you can attack on your next turn and your opponent with still be without dex to AC.

[Alric Rahl]

Claxon wrote:

Definitely not with a regular feint. Which is why improved feint is basically required to make it a move action instead of a standard, so you can make an attack and benefit.

If you want feint to remove the target's dex to AC when attacked by people besides you, you would need something else. Possibly Greater Feint. Although you should know it's still being actively discussed whether Greater Feint inherits the normal limitation of feint that the target only loses it's Dex bonus to AC against you or whether it gets to be applied for others.

The topic has a lot of FAQ requests, but no resolution at this time.

Will since regular faint says "ON or Before your next turn" its pretty clear to me that Greater should remove it for everyone as it says it loses it entirely until your next turn. I can understand if people are arguing cause the base feint only allows 1 attack, where greater would allow full attack, but I still see greater as making the target is basically completely distracted by your feint and thus allows others to attack him too as he is not as aware.

Thanks all for the input. I mainly asked this because I was gonna take the tree for my Mesmerist who is focusing on helping the rogue get her sneak attack and was just hoping to help her sooner. However I found out the Mesmerist can now take Improved and Greater feint without needing to meet the prereqs of Combat Expertise and Int 13.

[Charon's Little Helper]

Yeah - feinting without Improved Feint or some other trick to do it faster is a pretty bad idea in all but a few corner cases. (For example - if you're up against a Will O' Wisp)