Couple of questions (urgent!)


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Heya,

this is important for my game ronight. Two unrelated questions:

1) The "frightful presence" ability of dragons has a CR and a range, but the effect is not made entirely clear in the bestiary. In the monster entry it refers to the indices (page 300) but there it says only "a creature may become shaken or frightened". Well, which of them is it? Is it shaken or frightened if it was shaken already? this is the interpretation I'm going with currently.

2) The evasion ability of a rouge allows to negate all damage in reflex saves that would otherwise only negate half damage. Does this have any effect on negative effects that are not damage? For example, if a sorcerer casts an icy prison on a rouge with evasion and the rouge makes the save, will she (the rouge) still get tangled?

Many thanks!


1) Can you tell us the specific dragon in question? I see where the confusion is though. The entries for individual dragons only list the range and DC - not the effect, and the entry in universal monster rules seems to contradict itself. In the beginning it talks about shaken and frightened, but at the end it talks about shaken and panicked. I can infer the meaning, but it is not RAW.

2) Evasion is a class feature of the rogue, not the rouge. Evasion only applies to damage - nothing else.


1) the bit you're reading is out of date, I think. A failed save vs. Frightful Presence causes shaken, or if the target has 4 or less HD it causes panicked.

2) Ciaran's right on all counts.

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Lord Snow wrote:

Heya,

this is important for my game ronight. Two unrelated questions:

1) The "frightful presence" ability of dragons has a CR and a range, but the effect is not made entirely clear in the bestiary. In the monster entry it refers to the indices (page 300) but there it says only "a creature may become shaken or frightened". Well, which of them is it? Is it shaken or frightened if it was shaken already? this is the interpretation I'm going with currently.

2) The evasion ability of a rouge allows to negate all damage in reflex saves that would otherwise only negate half damage. Does this have any effect on negative effects that are not damage? For example, if a sorcerer casts an icy prison on a rouge with evasion and the rouge makes the save, will she (the rouge) still get tangled?

Many thanks!

1. If read the last line of the entry, it is based on Hit Dice.

On a failed save, the opponent is shaken, or panicked if 4 HD or fewer. Frightful presence is a mind-affecting fear effect.

2. This one is a little more vague, since rogue evasion specifically says "damage" but by the wording this is how I would look at it.

Evasion (Ex): At 2nd level and higher, a rogue can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If she makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, she instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor. A helpless rogue does not gain the benefit of evasion.

I would say the rogue is still entangled due to the "Icy Prison" spell not having the "normally deals half damage on a successful save" wording required by evasion. If the spell did have that phrase and some other effect I would rule he would avoid the effect and the damage on a save.

Hope this helps :)

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Thank you, all three. It does seem the frightful presence entry was dated, but it's the one in the bestiary.

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