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So the rules are that if a caster uses a Touch attack spell, designates their familiar as the "toucher" and then has the familiar hold the charge they can't cast another spell while the touch charge is held.

What if the caster uses a scroll?

Ex: a third level wizard has crafted a 3rd level scroll of Chill Touch. Before going into a weird cave the wizard gives her familiar the charge off the scroll; the familiar can now deliver 3 Chill Touch attacks. Can the wizard still buff them both with Mage Armor if she has the 1st level spells memorized?


Anything on this?


Mark Hoover wrote:
Anything on this?

Deliver Touch Spells only works when you cast a spell. Activating a Scroll isn't casting a spell, it's using a spell completion device so I don't think it works.


andreww wrote:
Mark Hoover wrote:
Anything on this?
Deliver Touch Spells only works when you cast a spell. Activating a Scroll isn't casting a spell, it's using a spell completion device so I don't think it works.

So then by that answer I couldn't cast Shield on myself from a scroll but use Share Spells to add that to my familiar?


Mark Hoover wrote:
andreww wrote:
Mark Hoover wrote:
Anything on this?
Deliver Touch Spells only works when you cast a spell. Activating a Scroll isn't casting a spell, it's using a spell completion device so I don't think it works.
So then by that answer I couldn't cast Shield on myself from a scroll but use Share Spells to add that to my familiar?

I don't believe Share Spells works with Scrolls or Wands, you are still not "casting a spell". Likewise I don't allow people to fill the cracked Ioun Stone with them either.


Quote:
Determine Effect: A spell successfully activated from a scroll works exactly like a spell prepared and cast the normal way. Assume the scroll spell's caster level is always the minimum level required to cast the spell for the character who scribed the scroll, unless the scriber specifically desired otherwise.

Andreww is wrong in this case (the case of scrolls).

It's just like you cast it yourself.

As to your situation with the familiar: Cast the mage armor first then the chill touch because:

Quote:
Deliver Touch Spells (Su): If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.

And that would suck.

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