Grappling w / Feats and Tricks Ruling


Rules Questions


A character has the feat Snapping Turtle Clutch, and all of its prerequisites are met. That same character also possesses the Ninja Trick Redirect Force.

Is it possible for that character, using Snapping Turtle Style, to initiate a grapple, using Redirect Force to provoke an attack of opportunity from the enemy he's grappling, then, given that the enemy misses, use Turtle Clutch to initiate an immediate grapple check at a -2, then continue to use the initial grapple to deal damage/pin/move, etc?

Steps of action:
>Snapping Turtle Style active
>Within range to grapple
>Begin grapple
>Redirect force->Provokes a melee AoO
>Attack misses
>Clutch->Grapple as an immediate action at a -2
>Grapple succeeds
>Grapple as a Standard action
>Deal unarmed damage

Possible?


You can't grapple as an Attack of Opportunity

Edit: nevermind, yes this would technically work. i had to reread snapping turtle clutch.

Remember though, this hinges on the enemy making an attack against you and missing. Their AoO is made at their highest BAB with all of the bonuses they would normally get. So, unless you have a very high AC this could be a very high risk high reward tactic.


Claxon wrote:

You can't grapple as an Attack of Opportunity

Edit: nevermind, yes this would technically work. i had to reread snapping turtle clutch.

Remember though, this hinges on the enemy making an attack against you and missing. Their AoO is made at their highest BAB with all of the bonuses they would normally get. So, unless you have a very high AC this could be a very high risk high reward tactic.

Also keep in mind that if you are hit, your grapple that provoked takes a penalty to the attack roll.

But you wouldn't take a penalty, because of Redirect Force, instead you'd get a bonus to the Grapple maneuver. This seems like a win-win, given that you can withstand the hit.


Yeah, it's late, I had to keep rereading things. I removed that from my previous post.

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