Can you summon a banished eidolon using the spell, not ritual?


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Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

If your eidolon is banished because of hp damage (death), can you still summon it using the Summon Eidolon (APG) spell? The class description says it "can't" be summoned until the next day, but I don't know if I should take that to mean "can't come back using the summoning ritual."

If so, how many hp does it have when it returns using the spell?

I read on another thread somewhere that eidolons come back with half hp after a day (couldn't verify in APG). If that is true, would it also apply to the Summon spell?


Summon Eidolon wrote:
This spell allows you to summon your eidolon even if it has been returned to its home plane due to damage.

Last line in the spell.

HP....probably half.

Eidolon wrote:
The only exception to this is if the eidolon was slain, in which case it returns with half its normal hit points.


I think its full hp. The half hit points should only apply to the class feature not the spell.


Summon Eidolon wrote:
Treat this as if you had summoned your eidolon normally

When you normally summon your eidolon after it has been "killed" it shows up with half HP. That was my reasoning, though I did try to hedge it a bit.

But I wouldn't argue with anyone saying it showed up with full HP, if I was the Summoner.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

Thanks! Not sure how I missed the last line of the spell.

I think I agree about it getting full hp when summoned with the spell. When brought back through ritual the following day, it would still be at half hp no matter what happened while summoned.

Also, I suppose any other conditions imposed on the eidolon (sickened, etc) would not be in effect. But if they are long term enough, would be the following day in the ritual version.

If I'm off my rocker here, please tell me.

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