Summon Monster and Greater Teleport


Rules Questions


Summon Monster III allows for the summoning of a Lantern Archon which is able to cast "Greater Teleport" @ will with the caveat of transporting itself plus "50lbs of objects."

Would it be reasonable to say that a lantern archon is capable of teleporting part of something that weights more than 50 lbs.? There isn't a lot of information about Teleport as it relates to moving objects with your, but what is the Lantern Archon were touching a Door? Or a mountain? Or a Wall of Iron? When [it?] moves does it take 50 lbs of that thing with?

As per the spell it might not be a big deal, but if you think about the Summoner class having this little mover around becomes much more manageable and also... this can be a familiar no?


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The summon monster spell specifically calls out all teleport abilities as being removed from all summoned monsters.

Grand Lodge

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Damiancrr wrote:
The summon monster spell specifically calls out all teleport abilities as being removed from all summoned monsters.

Op.. this pretty much answers your question and closes the thread. Summoned creatures don't keep their teleport, NOR any summoning abilities they may normally have.


Summon Monster wont do it for the reasons stated, what you want is Lesser Planar Binding.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
andreww wrote:
Summon Monster wont do it for the reasons stated, what you want is Lesser Planar Binding.

Or any other efect that uses what is known as Calling, not Summoning Monsters. Note that for arcanists... there's always the issue of negotiation and payment.


Besides the already pointed issue with summoning subschool restriction:

What's in the box? wrote:

Summon Monster III allows for the summoning of a Lantern Archon which is able to cast "Greater Teleport" @ will with the caveat of transporting itself plus "50lbs of objects."

Would it be reasonable to say that a lantern archon is capable of teleporting part of something that weights more than 50 lbs.? There isn't a lot of information about Teleport as it relates to moving objects with your, but what is the Lantern Archon were touching a Door? Or a mountain? Or a Wall of Iron? When [it?] moves does it take 50 lbs of that thing with?

Nope. Greater teleport spell transport creatures with equipment they carry, up to maximum carrying capacity, not things touched. Either you carry a door/mountain/wall of iron and it moves whole with you, or you don't and it stays were it was. Greater teleport spell-like ability of various outsiders, including archons gives restriction of limiting the amount of items carried to 50 lbs instead of regular carrying capacity. Those are still objects carried, though, and lantern archons with their Strength of 1 are technically restricted to carrying up to 10 lbs which is even less than the subtype restriction.

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