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I know generally you follow the most "specific" rule or the effect that says it has a specific work around. But in this case both the Silent metamagic and the Oracle Curse have this ruling. The Deaf curse specifically says that -all- spells are affected as if they were Silent, end statement. Silent specifically says it does not work on bard spells, which is included in the "all spells" of the oracle curse. We are currently ruling it as it doesn't affect bard spells and they still need to be verbal but I wanted to know if there was any ruling on this since the oracle curse seems very insistent from its wording that it applies to everything.
You cast all of your spells as if they were modified by the Silent Spell feat.
Special: Bard spells cannot be enhanced by this feat.
What appears to happen is this: the oracle gets to apply Silent Spell to all spells, at no level or time malus. Bard spells cannot have Silent Spell applied to them. Something that is all-permissive cannot get around an actual impossibility; thus, your Deaf Oracle / Bard doesn't get the benefit.
HOWEVER...
Characters who remain deafened for a long time grow accustomed to these drawbacks and can overcome some of them.
You do have permission to throw your unhearing socialite a bone, per RAW. :)
I believe that, officially, you have ruled correctly. I'm under the impression that if one ability says can't and another says can, can't wins. I could be wrong, though.
I would probably let them get away with ignoring deaf spell failure, but that's just me. :)
I agree, however I believe the deaf spell failure percentage would apply, as it does to Bardic Performance, which says A deaf bard has a 20% chance to fail when attempting to use a bardic performance with an audible component. If he fails this check, the attempt still counts against his daily limit.
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I agree, however I believe the deaf spell failure percentage would apply, as it does to Bardic Performance, which says A deaf bard has a 20% chance to fail when attempting to use a bardic performance with an audible component. If he fails this check, the attempt still counts against his daily limit.I believe that, officially, you have ruled correctly. I'm under the impression that if one ability says can't and another says can, can't wins. I could be wrong, though.
I would probably let them get away with ignoring deaf spell failure, but that's just me. :)
Oh, it would totally apply. The rules are clear.
I'm just saying, I'd at least let them cast their spells. I'd rather let a player have a functional character than follow every rule properly. :)
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RAW you're hosed, but in a home game setting (which I am entirely certain it is since Gestalt) this sounds like a great opportunity for a mime bard.
Any rule involving Gestalt characters has to be by definition, a house rule, because Gestalt itself is not a Pathfinder mechanics.
Please be careful with the term "house rule" with regard to gestalt. While it's not a mechanic in the PF ruleset, it IS a variant multiclassing system; as such, we can check if ordinary PF rules can address the interaction. :)
In this case, we can convert the question:
A Deaf Oracle multiclasses (using ordinary PF multiclass rules) to Bard. Do the Bard spells benefit from the Oracle's curse offset (ie, that spells are cast as though Silent Spell were applied) or not (due to Bard spells being explicitly excluded from Silent Spell?)
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If it were my home-brew game - I'd probably extrapolate from the Skald rules
A skald casts arcane spells drawn from the bard spell list. He can cast any spell he knows without preparing it ahead of time. Every skald spell has a verbal component—these verbal components can take the form of song, recitation, or even non-verbal music like percussion.
So - get a small bongo drum hanging off your belt.
The issue isn't how you're doing the verbal component; it's your inability to verify (using your own hearing) that you're doing it right. :)
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I know generally you follow the most "specific" rule or the effect that says it has a specific work around. But in this case both the Silent metamagic and the Oracle Curse have this ruling. The Deaf curse specifically says that -all- spells are affected as if they were Silent, end statement. Silent specifically says it does not work on bard spells, which is included in the "all spells" of the oracle curse. We are currently ruling it as it doesn't affect bard spells and they still need to be verbal but I wanted to know if there was any ruling on this since the oracle curse seems very insistent from its wording that it applies to everything.
Classes are always written from the perspective of a single classed character.
E.g, when a magus has a secondary spell casting class, he cannot use spell slots from the secondary class to cast spells from that class (even though they are also magus spells) and use them with spell combat.
In this case of the deaf oracle, ALL the spells of the single classed oracle come from his oracle levels.