Can you downrank the summoner's Summon Monster?


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This came up while considering the metamagic SLA feats - which run into an apparent problem when I realise how Summon Monster scales.

The question is this. Suppose I'm 12th level. Normally, I use the class ability as Summon VI. Can I use the ability as Summon I-V instead of VI for a given usage? Or do I only have VI?


There's no reason you'd want to lower it
SM6
This spell functions like summon monster I, except that you can summon one creature from the 6th-level list, 1d3 creatures of the same kind from the 5th-level list, or 1d4+1 creatures of the same kind from a lower-level list.

If you want a summon monster 5 then you get 1d3 of the creature. If you wanted SM4 or lower you get 1d4+1 of the creature.


If you wanted to select Summon Monster for metamagic SLA (either Empower SLA or Quicken SLA,) perhaps. I'd sooner avoid the discussion of the viability of doing this, in favour of understanding whether it's even possible.

(And yes, I'm aware of the permission aspect of taking meta-SLA feats.)


Where are you getting the SLA?


Chess Pwn wrote:
Where are you getting the SLA?

The summoner's Summon Monster class feature is an SLA.


I don't think you can

Shadow Lodge

RAW, you only have the highest level version. It reads "the power of this ability increases by one spell level," without any language indicating that the increase is optional. (eg: every 2 levels beyond 1st, you may use the next most powerful Summon Monster spell for this ability.)

It would be a reasonable houserule to let you downgrade it, since it's not any more powerful than Metamagic spell feats. But the GM might then require you to only use the lower-level version - such that if you take Quicken (Summon Monster) at level 12, you can only use Quickened Summon Monster II and not standard Summon Monster VI, or at least that 3 uses of your SLA must be Quickened Summon Monster rather than the more powerful version.


Chess Pwn wrote:
I don't think you can

Why not?


You'd downgrade it the same way any SM spell works, you get extra critters of a lower level if chosen off that list.

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