Item That Adds Spontaneous Spells per Day?


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Is there any magic item for spontaneous casters that increases the number of spells they can cast per day, similar to the way Pearls of Power benefit prepared casters?

(I know that attribute-boosting items help a little, but that’s not really what I’m looking for.)


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There is. It's called a runestone of power and it's in Ultimate Equipment. It's largely the same as a pearl of power, but it costs twice as much.

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Runestone of Power. It also costs twice as much as a pearl of power.

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claudekennilol wrote:
Runestone of Power. It also costs twice as much as a pearl of power.

It's also twice as flexible.

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LazarX wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
Runestone of Power. It also costs twice as much as a pearl of power.
It's also twice as flexible.

I'd say it's way more than twice as flexible. I don't see how that relates to my post, though.


Of course, there's also wands and scrolls, which do a similar thing.


claudekennilol wrote:
LazarX wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
Runestone of Power. It also costs twice as much as a pearl of power.
It's also twice as flexible.
I'd say it's way more than twice as flexible. I don't see how that relates to my post, though.

Wow, that’s pretty strong. If I am reading that right, the spontaneous caster can cast any spell on their class list, it doesn’t say only known spells, like a Pearl of Power specifies spells they had prepared that day.

But then I guess that’s why it’s double the price.


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It's better action-economy-wise, but it's otherwise the same. It's notable that that's a big deal and, I suspect, the reason for the price difference. I don't read it as allowing casting outside of spells known, although I could see an argument that it's of no use if you're out of spell slots of that level already.


I don’t know, I can see why a GM would say no on not allowing spells you don’t know. However, then I wouldn’t think it would be worth it double the price just because you are able to cast any additional known spell for that level. If this is the case (which I am guessing more that it is), then I would think 1.5 times the price would be a fair increase.


Hobbun wrote:
If I am reading that right, the spontaneous caster can cast any spell on their class list....

Hmm, I don't think that's right. Seems like the caster casts a spell as per normal--the only difference is it uses up the runestone's power for the day instead of a spell slot. I don't see any indication that they could cast spells they normally couldn't.


Emmit Svenson wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
If I am reading that right, the spontaneous caster can cast any spell on their class list....
Hmm, I don't think that's right. Seems like the caster casts a spell as per normal--the only difference is it uses up the runestone's power for the day instead of a spell slot. I don't see any indication that they could cast spells they normally couldn't.

Like I said, the more I read it, I was guessing that was the case (that you can’t cast spells not known). But I do feel making it double is a bit much.

I mean you can recall any spells prepared (for that level) with the Pearl of Power. Your spells known for each level are quite limited, not that far off what a prepared caster can prepare a day, I think it's usually even less (level comparable, of course). I don’t think making it double the price is needed.


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The reason for the higher price is the huge flexibility of the spontaneous caster.

Wizard with pearl of power (3rd): can recast any 3rd level spell he already cast that day.
Sorcerer with runestone of power (3rd): gets to use another 3rd level spell slot, meaning he could use it for all of his lower level spells (plus metamagic) as well as a true 3rd level spell.

I am not sure if it is worth double the price, but it is more useful than the pearl. An item for 1st level spells has no difference at all in usefulness.


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A pearl of power takes an action to recall a spell. A runestone of power is used as part of the casting action. During combat, this extra action economy is important.

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