Moonrods and low light vison


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This might be in the wrong section and if so, sorry.

What is the point of a moonrod? A creature with dark vision doesn't need it, to a creature with only normal vison its a less useful more expensive sunrod, and for the creatures with low light vision it is supposed to be useful to, it does nothing but what a sunrod does.
Low light vision extends the range of light categories but unless the light source is the moon, it does not let you see without penalties in dim light.
Since the Moonrod raises the light level by 1 step if you have low light vision, and sheds dim light if you don't.

In ambient dim light, it goes to 60 feat of bright light, for people with low light vision, just like a more expensive sunrod.

If ambient light level is darkness, then a moonrod brings up 60 feet of dim light for creatures with low light vision, but it does not allow them to see without penalty and is therefore a worse more expensive sunrod in this case.

What is the point of this item? Was this just some content creator forgetting how low light vision works? Was it supposed to allow characters with low light vision to see fine in a 60 foot radius?


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Perhaps benefit Low-Light users while giving penalties to those without it during a fight?


Xethik wrote:
Perhaps benefit Low-Light users while giving penalties to those without it during a fight?

That's the issue, it does not provide a benefit to characters with low light vision.

Your elf activates a moonrod in a dark room, and now he sees a hostile human 20 feet away. The human also sees the elf because dim light.
against attacks made by the elf, the human has 20% concealment, against attacks made by the human, the elf has 20% concealment, neither benefits.


Avadriel wrote:
Xethik wrote:
Perhaps benefit Low-Light users while giving penalties to those without it during a fight?

That's the issue, it does not provide a benefit to characters with low light vision.

Your elf activates a moonrod in a dark room, and now he sees a hostile human 20 feet away. The human also sees the elf because dim light.
against attacks made by the elf, the human has 20% concealment, against attacks made by the human, the elf has 20% concealment, neither benefits.

So activate it in dim light and a creature with low light vision has normal light and a creature without it would still have dim light.


Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:


So activate it in dim light and a creature with low light vision has normal light and a creature without it would still have dim light.

now I feel silly, thanks, not sure how I missed that.


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Still, it isn't an amazing feature. Kind of have to work to find a good situation for it.


"This 1-foot-long, silver-tipped tin rod glows dimly when struck as a standard action. IT SHEDS DIM LIGHT IN A 30-FOOT RADIUS. However, the light given off by a moonrod is particularly easily to perceive for creatures with low-light vision. For such creatures, a moonrod increases the light level by one step (to a maximum of normal) for a 60-foot radius."

The Moonrod produces dim light for everyone (with normal and dark vision) for 30 feet. players that have Low light improves that to normal.
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30' to 60' the moonrod increases darkness 1 step to dim and/or dim 1 step to normal.
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That's how I read it.


I didn't specify that the 30' to 60' range increase only affects people with low light vision. Normal and darkvision are not affected beyond 30'


I was looking for information on the moonrod so I could generate and AI picture of it.I found this thread and decided to take a look.The usefulness of the moon rod depends on your DM and how they treat low light vison. The campaign I play in the DM claims that any sourse of light interupts low light vision. I am playing a charater with low light vision. She is a spell caster who usually ends up being the one who holds the light sourse so the rest of the party has their hands free to use weapons. I picked up some moonrods because 1 They don't mess up her low light vision. Also they do not attrack attention like sunrods do espelly when out in the open after dark.

Avadriel wrote:

This might be in the wrong section and if so, sorry.

What is the point of a moonrod? A creature with dark vision doesn't need it, to a creature with only normal vison its a less useful more expensive sunrod, and for the creatures with low light vision it is supposed to be useful to, it does nothing but what a sunrod does.
Low light vision extends the range of light categories but unless the light source is the moon, it does not let you see without penalties in dim light.
Since the Moonrod raises the light level by 1 step if you have low light vision, and sheds dim light if you don't.

In ambient dim light, it goes to 60 feat of bright light, for people with low light vision, just like a more expensive sunrod.

If ambient light level is darkness, then a moonrod brings up 60 feet of dim light for creatures with low light vision, but it does not allow them to see without penalty and is therefore a worse more expensive sunrod in this case.

What is the point of this item? Was this just some content creator forgetting how low light vision works? Was it supposed to allow characters with low light vision to see fine in a 60 foot radius?

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