Familiar folio mauler, and polygot familiar

[Avadriel]

The mauler loses speak with master and speak with own kind, and thus cannot gain telepathic link, and if it natively had the ability to speak, it loses it. Despite this, I can't find anything in the feat, polygot familiar feat that prevents a mauler from having it.

As far as that goes, if you match the creature type chosen when the feat was taken, does this allow you to speak with your familiar? For example taking polygot familiar feline while playing a catfolk, taking rodent with a ratfolk, or simian with a vanara?

[Arachnofiend]

Catfolk speak the Catfolk language, not "cat". You would need to take Polyglot Familiar (Feline) and then take the feat again with a language your character can speak.

[Avadriel]

Your answer has me a bit confused, what exactly is the purpose of taking the feat twice?

there is no language called cat, in fact there is not even a feline creature type, the wording on the feat is

Choose a category of creature: amphibians, birds, felines, invertebrates, reptiles, rodents, simians, or vermin. Your familiar can speak with creatures of that kind.

none of the examples are creature types (except I think vermin), nor does the feat make a reference to languages, it merely says that the familiar can speak with creatures of that kind.

So to confirm, you are telling me that a catfolk is not a feline, but I can take polygot familiar for a specific language rather than for a kind of creature, which will allow me to speak with my familiar?

[Deighton Thrane]

Gyah, why does everyone call it polygot? Every single time I've heard it referenced to in PFS, by several very experienced GMs and players, it's called polygot. Was there some printing before where the l was left that makes this so prolific? Or is this just one of those words that people just can't seem to get right?

Sorry, don't mean to harp, but this bugs me to no end. As for trying to actually be useful: You wouldn't need to take the feat twice, if catfolk, ratfolk or vanara can be considered feline, rodents or simian. However there's nothing that I can find that states that any of these races actually are feline/rodents/simian, it only says that they are humanoids with catlike/ratlike features. Or that vanara are monkeylike humanoids. So it could be ruled either way. I'd talk to your GM about whether he'd allow this, or if it's for PFS expect a lot of table variation. Although it's clear the feat was went to allow the familiar to talk to animals, so it might be a stretch for some GMs to allow it as a means to talk to humanoids.

EDIT - So Vanara are actually referred to as simian humanoids in the bestiary, while catfolk and ratfolk have the similar catlike/rodentlike language. So Vanara would be the strongest argument for this working, but I could still see GMs disallowing it.

[Avadriel]

sorry for dropping the second l, I don't know how I missed it.

I agree on the intent probably being to allow your familiar being allowed to talk to another kind of animal, but the word they used is creatures, and humanoids, and even outsiders count as creatures in pathfinder.

I'm not so much trying to emphasize rules as written over rules as intended, I just really want a way to be able to talk with my mauler familiar.

[Deighton Thrane]

Personally, I'd allow it. But it's in a grey area of the rules, and completely up to whether the GM feels ratfolk/catfolk are of the same genus as rodents and felines, or something else just resembling rats/cats.

Also, didn't mean to go off on the polyglot thing, but it's really one of those "Is everyone here crazy but me?" sort of situations. I know it's Polyglot, but I've never not heard someone call it polygot, after a while you start questioning yourself, no matter how many times you check to see you're right.

But yes, I'd say with one instance of polyglot familiar you should be able to communicate with your familiar, expect table variation though.

[graystone]

"Kobolds are humanoids with the reptilian subtype"
"Nagaji are humanoids with the reptilian subtype."
"Lizardfolk are humanoids with the reptilian subtype."