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The basis of what i want to do are as follows:
-Crane allows lower attack penalties for fighting defensively
-Mantis increases DC of stunning fist
-Combat Style Master allows switching between styles as a free action
Can I:
1) start my attack in crane style, declaring i am both fighting defensively and using stunning fist
2) manage to hit with my attack, at which point i switch to mantis before the stunning fist is rolled
thus allowing me to benefit from both the styles
bump!
bump!
Bumping is relatively frowned on within these boards, a Paizo mod just removed posts from another thread I read a few minutes ago stating that there is no reason to do it.
Just an FYI.
As for your questions I believe it is a no. A free action is an action, and generally cannot be done "mid way" the resolution of another action. Unless stated by an ability, things tend to need to be resolved descretely before a different action can be performed (again barring exceptions).
I believe you would have to resolve your attack action before switching your stance. Meaning make the attack [attack roll, damage roll] then switch stance/form.
Uuuuh....But....I would like it answered D:
Uuuuh....But....I would like it answered D:
Then wait a day?
Better to be patient then get the thread locked or whatever they do and not get an answer no?
I don't think you can interrupt your own action-mid completion- to switch. You could switch before striking though.
I believe the first sentence in crane style will still reduce your penalty by -2. Just no bonus to AC while striking.....
@Larkspire Hmmmm, I didn't think of it that way. Thats not realy in the spirit of how the styles are made, but based on the way it is written that seems to be true.
I was hoping for a more official ruling, as if your not allowed to switch mid-way it seems to defeat the purpose of combat style master (at least in regards to how certain styles overlap)
Though I'm not actually disagreeing with you, more I'm hoping your incorrect then expecting you to be so. (^.^)
@Larkspire Hmmmm, I didn't think of it that way. Thats not realy in the spirit of how the styles are made, but based on the way it is written that seems to be true.
I was hoping for a more official ruling, as if your not allowed to switch mid-way it seems to defeat the purpose of combat style master (at least in regards to how certain styles overlap)
Though I'm not actually disagreeing with you, more I'm hoping your incorrect then expecting you to be so. (^.^)
I don't see how mid action form switching is "against the spirit"... How do you even know what the "spirit" is? You didn't write it, it is more like "it isn't what I want it to be" at that point.
The styles allow you to switch as a free action, pretty much anything that allows you to interrupt an on-going action states it in the write up. As it currently is written, this allows you to do things like enter a style at the start of your turn, move (while gaining the benefits), free action to switch styles, make attack(s) (while benefitting from the recent style), free action switch styles after attacking and benefit from that style until your next turn. That seems perfectly in the spirit of a martial artist who uses multiple fighting styles to me.
@SkyLancer4 Why are you commenting now when earlier you couldn't give a moment to respond and instead commented on the fact that I bumped the threat. Honestly I feel your being rude with your "help" as well as the questioning nature of my opinion (yes it was my opinion, good job for pointing that out). There are two ways to talk to people, polity and with respect or like a pertinacious aggravator.
Either way it's a non-issue, since the part about fighting defensively only being a -2 comes before the 'while in Crane Style' text, making it a general benefit that doesn't require you to be in Crane Style. You can attack with Mantis Style, then change into Crane afterwards to claim the defense bonus. The only way it could be an issue is if you're attacked while attacking, in which case you're not claiming an extra +1 dodge. Oh no.
The basis of what i want to do are as follows:
-Crane allows lower attack penalties for fighting defensively
-Mantis increases DC of stunning fist
-Combat Style Master allows switching between styles as a free actionCan I:
1) start my attack in crane style, declaring i am both fighting defensively and using stunning fist
2) manage to hit with my attack, at which point i switch to mantis before the stunning fist is rolledthus allowing me to benefit from both the styles
What you are talking about is benefiting from both styles, simultaneously. For that you want to be a Master of Many Styles Monk.
The reason it doesn't work is because you can't effectively "switch" mid swing. You have to roll damage with the attack you swing with. You can't change the kind of attack it is after you make your attack roll.
Think of it like this-
Quick Draw lets you draw weapons as a free action.
You couldn't swing with a dagger, and then, upon hitting, quickdraw a great sword to roll damage with.
Its the same principal.
@SkyLancer4 Why are you commenting now when earlier you couldn't give a moment to respond and instead commented on the fact that I bumped the threat. Honestly I feel your being rude with your "help" as well as the questioning nature of my opinion (yes it was my opinion, good job for pointing that out). There are two ways to talk to people, polity and with respect or like a pertinacious aggravator.
Apparently you didn't see the edit to the first post I made after having a minute to look at the styles. I was being polite, educating you on the board policy as you apparently didn't know any better. As for being rude, we are in the rules forum where rules mechanics are the "important parts" not the spirit or how you believe it should be. The idea is to hash out what the rules actually do, not debate why or what we think they should do. The only ones here who can comment on the intent is the PDT, coming in and assuming you know what the "spirit" of a rule is, normally leads to confusing the issue. Way more often than not, what people believe should work is why they don't "get" what the mechanics actually do.
It might have been curt due to posting from my phone in limited time, but it wasn't rude.
Rolling the damage is just resolving the action, not taking an action. Hence you cannot do a free action right before it.
Folks, arguing about board etiquette, and contextual tone in responses doesn't really help answer the question. In fact, it buries the answers.
How about we all just drop unrelated discussion? It isn't that important. Any slight from any side was probably unintentional but as long as you both keep hanging onto it, it will only hinder actual discourse.
Lets just all be nice.
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Either way it's a non-issue, since the part about fighting defensively only being a -2 comes before the 'while in Crane Style' text, making it a general benefit that doesn't require you to be in Crane Style. You can attack with Mantis Style, then change into Crane afterwards to claim the defense bonus. The only way it could be an issue is if you're attacked while attacking, in which case you're not claiming an extra +1 dodge. Oh no.
What he said basically. Here's the mechanics. I used to do a similar thing with Dragon Style/Crane Style on my monk.
1. Beginning of round, free action to Mantis Style.
2. Declare fighting defensively to gain the passive benefit of Crane Style.
3. Make your Stunning Fist attack.
In this case you don't even need Combat Style Master as you can use a Swift Action to start Mantis Style. However, if you wanted to utilize Crane Style, Wing, and Riposte more effectively and gain the benefits of having the style active, you would need Combat Style Master and then add this to the above:
4. After attack, free action switch to Crane Style.