So Bloodline Familiars can be gained in place of the first level power for a few bloodlines. Does that mean if I go Eldritch Heritage for one of those bloodlines I could instead choose to take a Bloodline Familiar?
So Bloodline Familiars can be gained in place of the first level power for a few bloodlines. Does that mean if I go Eldritch Heritage for one of those bloodlines I could instead choose to take a Bloodline Familiar?
I'm not entirely sure, the phrasing is strange.
I can vouch that the RAI will answer "no"
The phrasing seems to have intended that when you take the first level in a bloodline-class you are able to choose to gain one, however the way it is phrased left me with the impression that if eldritch heritage is taken at 1st level it could be done. That is up to the interpretation (as in the phrasing does not automatically allow it) of your GM
Bloodline Familiar specifiesa sorcerer, bloodrager, or any other character with one of the following bloodlinesEldritch Heritage doesn't grant that, just a power. You'd need Mythic Eldritch Heritage or an actual dip into one of those classes.
The problem with that is: 1) it mentions "any other character" not class. and 2) even MEH feat would not give it any more then the EH feat on its own, as both only mention giving the abilities of the bloodline. so if you believe that MEH would grant the option, the no mythic version would to.
I guess that "any other character" refers to characters of other classes who receive a bloodline from an archetype, like the Eldritch Scion magus.
As much as I'd like to have it otherwise... the bloodline familiar rules say that you give up your first-level power AND receive your bloodline spells 1 level later in exchange. Characters with EH don't get bloodline spells, so they can't have a bloodline familiar.
"Any other character"... doesn't really mean anything in regards to Eldritch Heritage? It means "any other character with one of the following bloodlines". That's a rather specific clause.
You mentiond yourself that you believed Mythic Eldritch Heritage gave you a bloodline allowing you to take the familiar option. This ties to the actual point of the conversation (if Eldritch heritage acutually gives you a bloodline) and implies that if you have eldritch heritage at first level you would qualify for being "any other character with one of the following bloodlines"
I guess that "any other character" refers to characters of other classes who receive a bloodline from an archetype, like the Eldritch Scion magus.
As much as I'd like to have it otherwise... the bloodline familiar rules say that you give up your first-level power AND receive your bloodline spells 1 level later in exchange. Characters with EH don't get bloodline spells, so they can't have a bloodline familiar.
not having the cost available if you qualify for its prerequisites has not disqualified you before. Remember the archetypes for animal companions and cavaliers. It was ruled that they could still take them regardless of them specifically not receiving sharing spells.
I'm not sure that you read my last post? I openly admitted I was wrong about Mythic Eldritch Heritage due to my memory being off.
I did, it does not take away from the point. The conflict being the point of discussion, regardless of you changing your opinion on it due to you misremembering. As others might disagree on that point with you.
Does Eldritch Heritage grant a bloodline? If you think so, I'd love to see the justification, because that's a complete reversal from everything I've ever seen regarding Heritage.
You seem to circle around the crux of the matter, yet not quite reaching it. If you believe that someone could justify it, despite you believing otherwise, and that in that case it would be allowed. It would still revolve around the initial question, can you?
Please don't make statements like "from the top" or "incredibly simple" when the only thing you succeed in is clarify the reason for the question.
So! If you want to disagree with the contention you're quoting, then I would love to see the justification. I would love to see some actual defense of the point rather than being told "some people might disagree with you".
First of all, I've never disagreed with your position, just the way you insist on expressing it, which has nothing to do with making things simple. As appearantly in your mind, that involves making things even more convoluted.
The full phrasing presented (which specifically notes that the clause is any other character with one of the requisite bloodlines) still very concisely rules out a character with Eldritch Heritage until you contend against #2 above.
What that phrasing does is handle the future and handle archetypes.
Frankly, you still seem intent on circling around the crux, instead in honing in on it. Secondly, why make the effort of reiterating my point in such a way that makes it seem like you're the one to make it?.
So yes. Very simple. Two lines to attack if you want to disagree, but attacking them means putting an actual argument on the table.
Simple in your mind apparently also involves conjuring up an imaginary "attack" on you, A second "attack" in retort and requiring an actual argument. This al from someone who doesn't disagree with you on anything requiring an argument, and just on your behaviour during this conversation.
You seem utterly confused on the concept of making a point or having a discussion.
Can't you just take abhorrent familiar?
I mean an arcane/aberrant sorcerer can have three familiars, giving up first power from aberrant bloodline for a familiar, taking the aberrant familiar feat, and taking your second power as the arcane's first...