Dragons Leviathans and behemoths oh my


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let me start by saying i wasnt sure which forum this belonged in so i went with both (its for a homebrew game but i need some serious advice lol)

so my sister came up to me and said you play that pathfinders stuff right?
to which i replied why yes i do but out of players right now
she said i have a idea for a game that i would like to try
i asked what it was and this is what she said

there are three monsters fighting an ancient battle to be the (best?)

the Dragons, Masters of the air and sky

the Leviathans, Masters of the sea and water

and finally

the Bohemeths, Masters of the earth

now they are all but extinct so they have humans fighting thier battles for them

so human (a) bob wants to worship dragons so he goes up on the mountains (closest he could get to being in the air) he builds a temple up there to the dragons

human (b) steve wants to worship leviathans so he goes down to the coast (closest thing he could get to being in the water) he builds a temple there to the leviathans

human (c) frank wants to worship Bohemeths so he goes to the plains or desert or caves (not sure on this one) he builds a temple there to the Bohemeths

Simple so far

if humans a b or c see each other they fight it out in the name of thier gods ( as humans always do)

now the problem is there is no stats for leviathans or bohemeths in pathfinders (bohemoths are giant earth titan things)

now i was thinking if you can earn enough favor with your particular gods they grant you a paragon of thier faith

dragons grant you a dragon familiar that will grant you perception bonuses or something

leviathans grant you a eel sized leviathan familiar that will grant you the breath under water ability

bohemoths grant you a dwarf sized bohemoth that will grant you a str bonus

each familar will grow large enough for the pcs to ride eventually
as they grow the bonuses they grant will become greater and greater


now i wanted to have a hero of each god statted out so that i could use them and eventually the one that the pc chose will die and the pc will take thier place

but i am unsure what classes or races to make the heroes


and i would need stats for the leviathans and bohemeths that are on par with dragons at various ages and lvls


oh and player wants to be a elf druid that shoots bows off the back of a dragon


I think leviathans are in one of the bestiaries, and if not you could use modified stats for dinosaurs and drakes for both them and the bohemeths.

Hero of the dragon god, first thing that comes to mind is either a Sorcerer or a Bloodrager with the draconic bloodline, with the prc Dragon Disciple.

Hero of the leviathan god could be any class with a water-based archetype such as a witch, druid, or sorcerer.

Hero of the behemeth god could again be any class with an earth-based archetype such as a druid, ranger, sorcerer.

It would be neat to see them each as a different kind of sorcerer.

For an elf druid that wants to shoot arrows off the back of a dragon, you could use the wyvern stats I made for my Magus archetype for their animal companion.


Huh.. I thought I posted here yesterday. Behemoths are in a beastiary if you want to use that. I think they are cr 18,20, and 22.


If you want your version of Leviathans and Behemoths to scale like Dragons I would suggest simply reskinning the different Primal Dragons from Bestiary 2. The Paragon Companion thing sounds like it would mechanically function like Animal Companions.


Like Beopere, I thought I posted here yesterday too. I would add to Arikiel's suggestion by suggesting that the imperial dragons are also a good source of potential behemoths and leviathans.

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I'm disappointed at lack of reference to Ziz

I mean, yeah, Ziz is obscure as hell, but it still completes land, sea, sky trio with those two others


would you enlighten us, i've never heard of Ziz:-)

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I compel you with power of google/wikipedia!

Basically giant(well, colossal since I'd think "wingspan enough to block out the sun" is pretty huge) jewish mythology bird thing

(dragons are cooler though)


thanks, kids don't let me use computer on school mornings, i'm forced to use my s&*+ty phone that sucks to search:(


Reskinned dragons or elementals would probably be best place to start. I don't think they have any giant earth creatures aside from that. Other than the Tarrasque.

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Though now that I think about it, three behemoth types in bestiary 3 seem to be based on leviathan, the actual behemoth and ziz <_<

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