frightened rules

[Human Fighter]

We have two places where you can get the frightened rules, which are under fear, and then under conditions. When do I apply which? Does the fear one better describe the other, and they're the same?

I've tried to show other gm's the rules under fear for frightened, and they refuse to listen, and make players run away until they're over it. I try and argue that you get away from hearing and seeing your source, then you just dance it out from that point on. Someone please resolve this, and if they apply at different times, then please explain when and why.

[voideternal]

I believe the description for the 'frightened' condition in Glossary -> Fear is what you should follow, and the description for the 'frightened' condition in Glossary -> Conditions is simply a quick short reference to the above rule. You seem to understand everything correctly.

That said, in my opinion the tactful way of resolving rules disputes in-game is to wait until the session is over, and then go over the rules with your GM, and then do it right the next time.

[blackbloodtroll]

This:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened

A frightened creature flees from the source of its fear as best it can. If unable to flee, it may fight. A frightened creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. A frightened creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.

Frightened is like shaken, except that the creature must flee if possible. Panicked is a more extreme state of fear.

[Jiggy]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

This:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened

A frightened creature flees from the source of its fear as best it can. If unable to flee, it may fight. A frightened creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. A frightened creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.

Frightened is like shaken, except that the creature must flee if possible. Panicked is a more extreme state of fear.

Did not do the research.

[voideternal]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

This:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened

A frightened creature flees from the source of its fear as best it can. If unable to flee, it may fight. A frightened creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. A frightened creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.

Frightened is like shaken, except that the creature must flee if possible. Panicked is a more extreme state of fear.

The OP's question is whether to use the Frightened descrption that blackbloodtroll quoted, or to use this:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened: Characters who are frightened are shaken, and in addition they flee from the source of their fear as quickly as they can. They can choose the paths of their flight. Other than that stipulation, once they are out of sight (or hearing) of the source of their fear, they can act as they want. If the duration of their fear continues, however, characters can be forced to flee if the source of their fear presents itself again. Characters unable to flee can fight (though they are still shaken).

I think the latter gives a fuller description of the Frightened condition, and I use that one at my table.

[Jeff Merola]

Human Fighter wrote:

We have two places where you can get the frightened rules, which are under fear, and then under conditions. When do I apply which? Does the fear one better describe the other, and they're the same?

I've tried to show other gm's the rules under fear for frightened, and they refuse to listen, and make players run away until they're over it. I try and argue that you get away from hearing and seeing your source, then you just dance it out from that point on. Someone please resolve this, and if they apply at different times, then please explain when and why.

As far as I'm aware, they're the same rules, just one set is incomplete. Since they do not contradict each other, there's no reason not to use the more complete rule.

[blackbloodtroll]

Jiggy wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

This:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened

A frightened creature flees from the source of its fear as best it can. If unable to flee, it may fight. A frightened creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. A frightened creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.

Frightened is like shaken, except that the creature must flee if possible. Panicked is a more extreme state of fear.

Did not do the research.

You mean this is not one of the examples of what the OP is talking about, or do you just like sounding snide?

[Human Fighter]

Like, they're very similar, but the fear one gives better detail on how to deal with it. Like I mentioned before, cause fear happens, and gm's go straight to the condition, and ignore me pointing out the fear rules.

[Human Fighter]

Bbt, I didn't get jiggy either. That's the condition you posted, but there is a fear one too. What's your take?

[blackbloodtroll]

Indeed.

There is this one too:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened: Characters who are frightened are shaken, and in addition they flee from the source of their fear as quickly as they can. They can choose the paths of their flight. Other than that stipulation, once they are out of sight (or hearing) of the source of their fear, they can act as they want. If the duration of their fear continues, however, characters can be forced to flee if the source of their fear presents itself again. Characters unable to flee can fight (though they are still shaken).

I am taking a deeper look, prior to giving my thoughts.

[Human Fighter]

Can anyone tell if these are used in different situations or if they're intended to be the same?

[FrodoOf9Fingers]

Well, the fear rules are more specific than the general list of conditions, so specific beats general, use the fear rules (especially since it's more complete)

[Jiggy]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Jiggy wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

This:

pfsrd wrote:

Frightened

A frightened creature flees from the source of its fear as best it can. If unable to flee, it may fight. A frightened creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. A frightened creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.

Frightened is like shaken, except that the creature must flee if possible. Panicked is a more extreme state of fear.

Did not do the research.

You mean this is not one of the examples of what the OP is talking about, or do you just like sounding snide?

I meant it sounded like you were just saying "Here's the fear rules, mystery solved" when there's an additional set of fear rules in the same book.

But seeing your later post, it seems you now see the issue. :)

[Jiggy]

Core Rulebook, Magic Items chapter, Potions section wrote:

The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect

Core Rulebook, Magic Items chapter, Magic Item Creation section, Potions subsection wrote:

The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions.

Can potions be made for spells with a range of personal?

Can a frightened creature stop running once the source of its fear is no longer present?